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Old 12-27-2005, 08:36 PM
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Default River Checking(Stars 2-4)

Here lately I've noticed myself checking the river against busted flush draws headsup especially when I have marginal holdings. Is this play standard or should I have bet the river for value? I didn't have any stats on him, but this is Stars... Anyway I figured if he had 1/2 a brain he wouldn't continue his draw at a flush that obviously couldn't win. Therefore I put him on queens or waiting to go crazy on the river with quads.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (2.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (4.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 4.75 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has Ts 7s (three of a kind, eights).
Hero has 4s 4c (full house, eights full of fours).
Outcome: Hero wins 4.75 BB. </font>
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Old 12-27-2005, 08:38 PM
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Default Re: River Checking(Stars 2-4)

Don't include results.

Well played.
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Old 12-27-2005, 09:22 PM
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Wow its the real life bisonbison! The gmail gig going good?
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Old 12-27-2005, 09:55 PM
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Default Re: River Checking(Stars 2-4)

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Here lately I've noticed myself checking the river against busted flush draws headsup especially when I have marginal holdings.

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I think the fact that the flop is paired here is more important then there is a busted flush draw.

You played this hand fine.

When it comes to making the check/bet decision on the river when its been checked to you HU with a marginal hand you just need to ask yourself "Is he calling my bet here with hands I beat more often then he is calling/raising me with hands I lose to?"
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Old 12-28-2005, 07:54 AM
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Default Re: River Checking(Stars 2-4)

Flop is an EZ bet.

Turn is an EZ bet.

River is an EZ bet. Why the [censored] are you not betting the river, he'll call you with any number of crappy A high hands. Checking behind on the river sucks monkey balls.
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Old 12-28-2005, 08:17 AM
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River is an EZ bet. Why the [censored] are you not betting the river, he'll call you with any number of crappy A high hands. Checking behind on the river sucks monkey balls.


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I think I prefer betting here too.
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Old 12-28-2005, 09:42 AM
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Default Re: River Checking(Stars 2-4)

I fold preflop and bet/fold the river.
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Old 12-28-2005, 09:43 AM
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I think you should raise preflop.
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Old 12-28-2005, 09:50 AM
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Not that I'm all that good at value betting the river myself (currently rereading the River Play sections in SSHE over and over), but I think with no sign of strength, including limping in preflop, I would be inclined to try a bet on the river.
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Old 12-28-2005, 09:59 AM
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Default Re: River Checking(Stars 2-4)

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I think you should raise preflop.

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I think we agree that calling is the worst option, yes?
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