Why did Jesus have to die?

[hmkpoker]

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You contradict scripture:

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Scripture contradicts itself.

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I reject your assertion. Would you care to demonstrate it?

-Zapp

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http://www.biblestudyguide.org/topic...mnipotence.htm

God is omnipotent. Explain why the removal of sin from a human being is outside of his range of power.

[MaxPowerPoker]

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God is omnipotent. Explain why the removal of sin from a human being is outside of his range of power.

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Maybe we are getting bogged down where we shouldn't. Let's approach it from a slightly different angle.

1. God is all powerful.
2. God is all knowing.
3. God is truthful.
4. God has revealed to us that there is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood.

I affirm all of the above. Scripture affirms all of the above.

To your question. If God is all powerful, then he therefore can forgive sins without the shedding of blood.

What is the point of such a statement? He is also truthful and all knowing and has revealed to us that forgiveness is impossible without the shedding of blood.

Seems to me that you can accept the notion that God is all powerful but not that he is truthful and/or all knowing.

-Zapp

[chezlaw]

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You contradict scripture:

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Scripture contradicts itself.

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It follows from god's omnipotence that jesus didn't have to die to achieve whatever god wanted. Its interesting how many religous folk use their religon to deny god's omnipotence.

They seem to believe in their religon more than they believe in god.

chez

[MaxPowerPoker]

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It follows from god's omnipotence that jesus didn't have to die to achieve whatever god wanted. Its interesting how many religous folk use their religon to deny god's omnipotence.

They seem to believe in their religon more than they believe in god.

chez

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Does my previous reply not address this sufficiently? If not, please explain where it is lacking.

1. God is all powerful.
2. God is all knowing.
3. God is truthful.
4. God has revealed to us that there is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood.

I reject none of the above. To affirm your position that an all-powerful god must have the power to forgive sins without sacrifice, is to ignore other truths about God.

So the real question is can an all-powerful, all-knowing, truthful God who has revealed that there is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood forgive sins without the shedding of blood?

Of course not.

[chezlaw]

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It follows from god's omnipotence that jesus didn't have to die to achieve whatever god wanted. Its interesting how many religous folk use their religon to deny god's omnipotence.

They seem to believe in their religon more than they believe in god.

chez

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Does my previous reply not address this sufficiently? If not, please explain where it is lacking.

1. God is all powerful.
2. God is all knowing.
3. God is truthful.
4. God has revealed to us that there is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood.

I reject none of the above. To affirm your position that an all-powerful god must have the power to forgive sins without sacrifice, is to ignore other truths about God.


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An all-powerful god doesn't have to be truthful or shed that blood stuff. That you insist god does have to, is using your religon to confine god.

An all powerfull god can make anything the way he wants just by willing it.

chez

[maurile]

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4. God has revealed to us that there is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood.

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This is the correct answer. God is blood-thirsty. Simple as that.

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can you please explain why blood needs to be shed in order for our sins to be forgiven. does that mean if my son lies he needs to sacrifice his pet goldfish to be forgiven.

[chezlaw]

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can you please explain why blood needs to be shed in order for our sins to be forgiven. does that mean if my son lies he needs to sacrifice his pet goldfish to be forgiven.

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I think you mean to ask someone else.

chez

[MaxPowerPoker]

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An all-powerful god doesn't have to be truthful or shed that blood stuff. That you insist god does have to, is using your religon to confine god.

An all powerfull god can make anything the way he wants just by willing it.

chez

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I am not using my religion to confine God. I am using what God says about himself to "confine" him.

I thought this discussion was about the God revealed in the pages of scripture. Oh, wait. It was.

-Zapp

[chezlaw]

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An all-powerful god doesn't have to be truthful or shed that blood stuff. That you insist god does have to, is using your religon to confine god.

An all powerfull god can make anything the way he wants just by willing it.

chez

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I am not using my religion to confine God. I am using what God says about himself to "confine" him.

I thought this discussion was about the God revealed in the pages of scripture. Oh, wait. It was.

-Zapp

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No it wasn't. it was was about whether jesus had to die to ....

Clearly if god is omnipotent then he didn't.

chez