Too Passive with KK?

[TomBrooks]

Upon reflection, I think BB would have gone for a checkraise with Aces over or a set, so I think he has two pair that doesn't include Aces. Therefore, you could call him getting almost 6:1 because you would have 8 outs to beat him. 2Ks, 3As, and 3 of whichever card he hasn't paired.

There's also the chance that you are already ahead anyway. If he has Top Pair Aces or better, he's not playing it very strongly.

[@bsolute_luck]

to be honest: i don't hate the fold. people do this when they have the Ace fearing that it will get checked through, but with a straight and flush draw on the table, i just can't give immediate credit for the lone face card on the board.

i don't think either decision (calling down/folding) is bad.

That's a standard micro-donk play: check-call with weak Ace and betting the turn. I call down with KK most of the time for a few reasons:
- small chance of spiking a king
- somewhat small chance you have the best hand
- so opponents don't try this bluff every time an Ace shows up.

[MATT111]

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My thinking behind raising the turn:

a) Fold a 5 outer, probably not worth it since as you said the pot is small and he's probably putting 1BB in on the river. Do you find a river value bet if he checks?

b) Maybe get an ace to fold. When this happens it's huge, but I'm thinking it doesn't happen often at 2/4.

c) Charge a semibluff. Does a semi bluff usually fire another barrel on the river when they miss here?

As far as just folding out a bluff, I think if we're ahead villain is more likely to have a piece than be flat out bluffing, still a factor though.

To sum it up, if he'll bet the busted draws on the river, and he's paying off 1BB on the river with a 5 outer, then it makes no sense to raise if he's not folding an ace, since we just give up the chance to spike a king when 3 bet, or even make an incorrect fold if he has something like 34.

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I do not think this is a good situation for the turn-raise play against an unknown.
If he has a strong hand or is aggressive he may 3-bet so we won`t be able to see if we hit our 2-outer on the river although we invest 2BB.
If he has a weak ace - assuming he doesn`t fold - we invest the same amount as if we just call down.
If he is bluffing we want him to do so on the river as well.

[fundmyhabit]

Thanks for all the input. I figured the guy had a weak ace and/or 2 paired on the turn or put out the weak ace donk bet as many have said they have seen.

After I folded he showed JJ. I wasn't too upset because it wasn't a huge pot, but I made a note on the guy and went on with my business.

[Nightbrace]

you folded? At least call, he didn't seem too enthused about the A on the flop, so why would he like it better now?

[pryor15]

a fold like that is pretty weak-tight and a good way to get added to a buddy list.

donking JJ? i'm not sure what to make of that

[fundmyhabit]

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a fold like that is pretty weak-tight and a good way to get added to a buddy list.

donking JJ? i'm not sure what to make of that

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Yes, it was very weak-tight. I didn't show the KK so for all he knows I had KQ or something.

I'll play this situation different in the future. Just wasn't sure what to make of the donk bet on the turn.