A question to stox, cup, morg, sublime, and any other Party affils

[Ulysses]

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We have developed the offer and the mechanisms for converting an old Party account to a new PartyPoker based on straight-forward representations with PartyPoker. The commitments that we made in our offer will be implemented in conjunction with Party Poker directly. There are no "work around" solutions involved in our offer. Accounts have already been converted doing exactly what we committed to in our offer.

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That statement was made by stoxtrader in Internet forum.

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I have just gotten off the phone with an affiliate manager at Party. He told me several times that rakeback is NOT endorsed by Party at this time. Any affiliate who is currently offering rakeback is doing so without Party’s consent and at his own risk.

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That is from cup's sticky at the top of this forum.

In addition to these comments, we have seen numerous offers from our existing affiliates, spammers, posters here, etc. that feel like they have varying degrees of trustworthiness.

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I have no vested interest in any of these guys. But I am planning to play some high-limit games at Party. I am not going to get involved w/ anything shady given the amounts of money I typically keep in my accounts, but if I can get rakeback legitimately from Party, then I will obviously want to do that. If not, I will play my existing account and CPC will get paid.

There are many players like me, who want to play at Party with the best possible deal for themselves possible. It benefits all of us, and brings a lot of credibility to this forum if various affiliates can speak openly about who has really talked to Party, who is just talking to larger affiliates, and so forth. Without this type of open discussion, it is very hard for many of us to make an informed decision. That is all I, and many others here, are looking to do.

I hope this thread provides an opportunity for individuals (and I am specifically talking about people who have developed a degree of trust within the 2+2 community) to speak candidly about what they have been told by Party and what kind of commitments they can make and stand behind.

So, I guess my question to all of you, is: For those of you who deal directly with Party, what have you been told that you are willing to stand behind?

[Willluck]

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We have developed the offer and the mechanisms for converting an old Party account to a new PartyPoker based on straight-forward representations with PartyPoker. The commitments that we made in our offer will be implemented in conjunction with Party Poker directly. There are no "work around" solutions involved in our offer. Accounts have already been converted doing exactly what we committed to in our offer.

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That statement was made by stoxtrader in Internet forum.

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I have just gotten off the phone with an affiliate manager at Party. He told me several times that rakeback is NOT endorsed by Party at this time. Any affiliate who is currently offering rakeback is doing so without Party’s consent and at his own risk.

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That is from cup's sticky at the top of this forum.

In addition to these comments, we have seen numerous offers from our existing affiliates, spammers, posters here, etc. that feel like they have varying degrees of trustworthiness.

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I have no vested interest in any of these guys. But I am planning to play some high-limit games at Party. I am not going to get involved w/ anything shady given the amounts of money I typically keep in my accounts, but if I can get rakeback legitimately from Party, then I will obviously want to do that. If not, I will play my existing account and CPC will get paid.

There are many players like me, who want to play at Party with the best possible deal for themselves possible. It benefits all of us, and brings a lot of credibility to this forum if various affiliates can speak openly about who has really talked to Party, who is just talking to larger affiliates, and so forth. Without this type of open discussion, it is very hard for many of us to make an informed decision. That is all I, and many others here, are looking to do.

I hope this thread provides an opportunity for individuals (and I am specifically talking about people who have developed a degree of trust within the 2+2 community) to speak candidly about what they have been told by Party and what kind of commitments they can make and stand behind.

So, I guess my question to all of you, is: For those of you who deal directly with Party, what have you been told that you are willing to stand behind?

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[CardSharpCook]

Man I hope this thread gets going. Echoes my thoughts exactly. Rakeback's great, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna cook the goose that laid the golden egg. If the worst case scenario really is having funds seized and more importantly, being prohibited from playing on Party then that is unacceptable. Is rakeback approved by party?

[SinCityGuy]

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if I can get rakeback legitimately from Party, then I will obviously want to do that. If not, I will play my existing account and CPC will get paid.

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I don't play as high as El D. does, so I can understand where he's coming from. As for me, the thought of playing under my ancient Party account and donating $30K per year to CardPlayerCruises isn't something that I'm willing to accept, so I hope that some legitimate offers are able to be substantiated in the near future. Right now, I've been mixing some tables on a hodge-podge of different sites, and I've been pleasantly surprised at how many good games I've been able to find. Sure, it's more work in finding good tables, but for me the extra money in rakeback is worth it at this time.

I'm just curious - if you guys are with CPC, why not just contact them? After all, they do have the juice with Party to get things done the right way, not have accounts frozen, etc. I'm sure someone on here can supply the right email address for them, if not, I can.

[Ulysses]

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I'm just curious - if you guys are with CPC, why not just contact them? After all, they do have the juice with Party to get things done the right way, not have accounts frozen, etc. I'm sure someone on here can supply the right email address for them, if not, I can.

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My Party account is a non-rakeback acct through CPC. I can't imagine why they would want to start giving me rakeback on that. And I definitely don't want any flags on my account looking for new signups using my name or address or whatever. So, that's why I'm waiting for this stuff to shake out a bit and trying to educate myself as much as possible.

[sublime]

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So, that's why I'm waiting for this stuff to shake out a bit and trying to educate myself as much as possible.

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That's my answer to your question.

IMO, nobody knows as much as they say they do. I have offers on the table that will allow me to offer rakeback on Party, but I want as much info before agreeing to anything for a few reasons. First and foremost being the well being on my players. Sure, I like the extra income being an affiliate provides, but I don't make enough to compensate for Party to tell me one month "Sorry Mike, your in violation of blah blah blah" and me not being able to pay a guy playing for a month money he was banking on.

A lot of posters view the delay in details being presented as signs of screwed behavior, when in fact its the opposite. We are not providing much info, because we dont feel we have as accurate information as we would like (well myslef anyways, and I think I speak for others).

~Mike

[MILFChaser]

Sublime, correct me if I am wrong, but you used your webpage to lure players away from party and to the skins. How can you guarantee your players that in 6 months Party will not turn around and give you the same treatment you gave them?

[KaneKungFu123]

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So, that's why I'm waiting for this stuff to shake out a bit and trying to educate myself as much as possible.

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That's my answer to your question.

IMO, nobody knows as much as they say they do. I have offers on the table that will allow me to offer rakeback on Party, but I want as much info before agreeing to anything for a few reasons. First and foremost being the well being on my players. Sure, I like the extra income being an affiliate provides, but I don't make enough to compensate for Party to tell me one month "Sorry Mike, your in violation of blah blah blah" and me not being able to pay a guy playing for a month money he was banking on.

A lot of posters view the delay in details being presented as signs of screwed behavior, when in fact its the opposite. We are not providing much info, because we dont feel we have as accurate information as we would like (well myslef anyways, and I think I speak for others).

~Mike

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i wouldnt go anywhere stox.

he has down a nice job advertising, though.

[Azizal]

It seems to me that if anyone gets punished for rb deals it will be the affiliates who offer them, not the players. Can you really see Party banning a player who gets his rake back? Perhaps so, if they think that they will lose the player in either case. But of the two, the former makes a lot more sense. If they cut off the affiliate, they get to keep the player and more of the rake.