Call two then fold the flop?

lastcoyote · #1 05-09-2005, 09:16 AM

SB seems solid (15/6/2.5)
BB is is little LAGGY pre, passive post (33/13/1.0)

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, SB 3-bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (9 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB raises, Hero calls, SB 3-bets, BB caps, Hero FOLDS (??)

Should I have called two more because of the back door flush draw. That's why I called the first two.

Should I have 3 bet the flop or just folded or was my cold call OK?

Feels like I'm behind at least one if not both of them and my outs are all very dirty outside of running hearts.

Only thing I liked about this hand was my pre-flop raise.

Steve09797 · #2 05-09-2005, 09:44 AM

I dont think i would have cold called the flop. I would imagine that you are beat by one of them, if not both, and even if you get yourheart on the turn your going to be inclined to call another bet or maybe even get caught in between a raise. I would say fold the flop, i like the preflop raise though, thats automatic.

Super Pro · #3 05-09-2005, 09:57 AM

why you even called the first two bets on the flop is beyond me.

Buckmulligan · #4 05-09-2005, 10:10 AM

That flop is pretty uncoordinated; I think you can fold it safely for two on the flop.

CanKid · #5 05-09-2005, 10:39 AM

Eh, I'd peel.

T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] baby

RobbyD · #6 05-09-2005, 10:40 AM

You either have to fold or 3-bet the flop depending on your opponents. Most likely you are against JJ KK or AK if they are solid players.

Piiop · #7 05-09-2005, 10:42 AM

Yes, either 3-bet the flop or fold the first time. I prefer 3-betting.

brettbrettr · #8 05-09-2005, 10:50 AM

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agreeance.

lastcoyote · #9 05-09-2005, 11:53 AM

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Yeah. I was pretty sure I chose the worst of three options and that either folding or three betting would have been a much better choice.

Of course, Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] turned and my 2 pair would have taken it down (always colors things which is why I posted). BB eventually took it down with AA, SB had AK.

admiralfluff · #10 05-09-2005, 11:57 AM

I strongly disagree. Why would you have any reason to believe you are ahead, or have a reasoable chance of improving. You were 3 bet preflop by a tight weakish player (OP said solid, but 15/6 is tight-weakish in my book). Do you really want to throw another 3 SB into a 12ish SB pot to say he has QQ, and the passive postflop who raised him has naked lower K?