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09-05-2005, 08:12 PM
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What I hate the most - 2pr on 4th
7 Card Stud High ($20/$40), Ante $2, Bring-In $5 (hand converter)
3rd Street - (0.80 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls Seat 2: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___folds Seat 3: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls___calls Seat 4: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___completes Seat 6: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds Seat 7: xx xx 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___folds Seat 8: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls 4th Street - (4.80 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___double bets Seat 3: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks___[?????] Seat 8: xx xx K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___checks Now I admit, this is usually an easy fold, except in this case: 1) Seat 1 was very LAG - specifically, he bet every paired door card regardless. I saw him bluff with low paired door cards at least 4 times in this one session. 2) As for Seat 3, he didn't raise on 3rd, and 1 King was already dead, and he didn't raise Seat 1 on 4th. So this was a tough one for me.... 
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#2
09-05-2005, 08:25 PM
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Re: What I hate the most - 2pr on 4th
Fold, and it's not close.
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#3
09-05-2005, 08:35 PM
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Re: What I hate the most - 2pr on 4th
How was seat 3's play overall? His calling the paired 3's is rather scary, no? What about the K that called behind you?
The problem here is that you have to stretch to put them each on a hand you can beat here. I would make a ridiculously huge laydown and move on to the next hand.
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#5
09-05-2005, 08:39 PM
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Re: What I hate the most - 2pr on 4th
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[ QUOTE ] Fold, and it's not close. [/ QUOTE ] because??????? Sorry, but only Ray Zee and Greenstein can get away with posting answers without thoughtful explanations. [/ QUOTE ] Because the pot is small and you’re either a little ahead or way behind.
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#6
09-05-2005, 08:40 PM
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Re: What I hate the most - 2pr on 4th
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How was seat 3's play overall? His calling the paired 3's is rather scary, no? What about the K that called behind you? The problem here is that you have to stretch to put them each on a hand you can beat here. I would make a ridiculously huge laydown and move on to the next hand. [/ QUOTE ] Seat 3 overall was very LAG. Consequently, he could have almost anything, which means I could easily have him beat. The K that is behind didn't have Ks, I was very confident of that, because he didn't raise 3rd (I know the player well enough to be sure). What about guts?
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#8
09-05-2005, 08:44 PM
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Re: What I hate the most - 2pr on 4th
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Because the pot is small and you’re either a little ahead or way behind. [/ QUOTE ] Heh - so by that logic I fold every under pair, even Ks, when a higher door card raises. I just don't play cards that way. Call me a fish. And the pot is not small at all. There's almost 5.5 BBs in there.
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#9
09-05-2005, 08:49 PM
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Re: What I hate the most - 2pr on 4th
The pot is small relative to your effective odds given you have to call a double bet for 4 more potential rounds.
If the king has a pair you're way behind. If the 3's are trips you're way behind. If neither have the aforementioned hands, you're a little ahead of the kings, But will never know where you stand in this hand.
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#10
09-05-2005, 08:56 PM
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Re: What I hate the most - 2pr on 4th
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[ QUOTE ] Because the pot is small and you’re either a little ahead or way behind. [/ QUOTE ] Heh - so by that logic I fold every under pair, even Ks, when a higher door card raises. I just don't play cards that way. Call me a fish. And the pot is not small at all. There's almost 5.5 BBs in there. [/ QUOTE ] 
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