AQo against a tight aggressive

brichr · #1 08-09-2004, 02:16 AM

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed)

I have played ~ 200 hands with MP2. Read is tight aggressive.

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 raises, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, MP2 3-bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.

Main concern was MP2 and a c/r had had him lay his hand down twice earlier in the session. I thought I was behind when he re-raised.

Turn: (8 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Should I have represented a flush?

River: (10 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero shows Ah Qd (flush, ace high).
MP2 shows Kd As (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP2 wins 14 BB. 

At what point do I lay this hand down...or do I?

cartoonsoldier · #2 08-09-2004, 02:38 AM

If he is a TAG, I would fold this PF or on the flop to the 3-bet atleast.

detruncate · #3 08-09-2004, 04:07 AM

Cold-calling pre-flop with AQ is rarely a good idea, and even less so when a TAG raises. Given how you played it, the c/r was a good try, and you have to call the 3-bet with the backdoor flush and odds to spike your Q (which might well put you ahead). When the flush draw comes on the turn, you're obviously not going anywhere... and neither is he, so I don't think leading out is going do anything for you. It also presents him an opportunity to get another raise in if he's so inclined. The river bet was a good idea, and you're probably safest to call the raise... though I'm not sure what he could have that you're ahead of.

cartoonsoldier · #4 08-09-2004, 04:10 AM

Its not a good idea to try catching a backdoor flush which is not the nuts when you need a 4-flush board.

You want to have a backdoor flush draw with 2 of the suit in your hand actually I would only see that situation as worth staying in even if I am not drawing to the nuts.

detruncate · #5 08-09-2004, 04:26 AM

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Its not a good idea to try catching a backdoor flush which is not the nuts when you need a 4-flush board.

You want to have a backdoor flush draw with 2 of the suit in your hand actually I would only see that situation as worth staying in even if I am not drawing to the nuts.

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There's exactly 1 card that beats his flush, and no reason to think that villain has it until he raises the river. His play seems to indicate AK or AA, which leaves our Hero a favorite to win if the flush hits. There is 1 version of AA and 6 versions of AK, which means that he beats 5/7 of villain's likely hands.

cartoonsoldier · #6 08-09-2004, 04:50 AM

What you say is sort of true, but I was also generalizing my post so that he doesn't apply the backdoor flush conecpt in -EV situations.

Chris Daddy Cool · #7 08-09-2004, 04:54 AM

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MP2. Read is tight aggressive.

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Preflop: MP2 raises....

This should have ended your hand right there.

cartoonsoldier · #8 08-09-2004, 04:57 AM

@Chris, what do you think about the back-door flush draw on the flop, is it worth waiting to catch it?

Al Mirpuri · #9 08-09-2004, 12:00 PM

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MP2. Read is tight aggressive.

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Preflop: MP2 raises....

This should have ended your hand right there.

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Absolutely right.

Rico Suave · #10 08-09-2004, 12:45 PM

Al Mirpuri:

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MP2. Read is tight aggressive.

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Preflop: MP2 raises....

This should have ended your hand right there.

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Absolutely right.

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This is not solely directed to you Al, but to everyone who is saying "TAG raises, fold AQ." While I agree that I would probably fold here most of the time, I do not think 3-betting here is all that bad against a TAG raise. This is not an EP raise...MP2 is raising one limper 2 off of the button. Most TAGs (at least most 2+2 type TAGs) are raising a wide range of hands here. I understand that your position sucks, and that makes me lean toward a fold, especially if I did not know my opponent well. If MP2 were Clarkmeister, wouldn't you be giving up quite a bit by folding to his raise here? Am I all alone in thinking that a 3-bet is not a distant 2nd choice in the situation described?

--Rico