ZeeJustin: A Case Study

[KneeCo]

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Whats surprising to me is that Justin thinks there's anything to be embarassed about.

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Seriously.

If nothing else, this data could be a great point of reference for an essay explaining what it means to play MTTs and the differences between massive field MTTs and every other form of poker so far as money, winning and results are concerned.

So... who's gonna write it? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[The4Aces]

i think he is saying it is misleading the ITM stats. he didnt care about those tournamnets but they hurt his ITM stats.

[billyjex]

Stars is not the MTT universe. Basing one's skill based on his results on one site is retarded. Until you datamine every site and every tourney, this kind of analysis is worthless.

[Skjonne]

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Stars is not the MTT universe. Basing one's skill based on his results on one site is retarded. Until you datamine every site and every tourney, this kind of analysis is worthless.

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Of course it's not worthless nor retarded. It's simply analysing a more or less random subset of the data. Out there in the real world it's called statistics.

Have a nice day

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Stars is not the MTT universe. Basing one's skill based on his results on one site is retarded. Until you datamine every site and every tourney, this kind of analysis is worthless.

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Sigh... how many times do we have to discuss this qualification of this MTT data?

[Exitonly]

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Stars is not the MTT universe. Basing one's skill based on his results on one site is retarded. Until you datamine every site and every tourney, this kind of analysis is worthless.

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You don't have to have the see entire MTT "universe" to speculate about a players skill level. Performance on each of the sites should be the same for all sites (no one is "luckier on stars"). So if you have a decent sample size for a player, even if it's all for Stars tournaments, you should be able to get a decent feel for how 'good' the player is.

[morello]

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Stars is not the MTT universe. Basing one's skill based on his results on one site is retarded. Until you datamine every site and every tourney, this kind of analysis is worthless.

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Agreed. And until you test a vaccine on every potential user, clinical trials are useless. Same goes for election polls, censuses, etc. Down with statistics!

[daveymck]

How do you get those extra stats?

Edit n/m realise who posted this now, know the extra info isnt public domain yet.

[Exsubmariner]

Thank you for posting this, pokerdb. I can't see the graphics, but your descriptions are good. Cool idea for a site, BTW. Nothing tells the truth like simple numbers.

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ALL statisical data analysis should be taken with a grain of salt.

The purpose of this post was to attempt to quantify Justin's skill level, not to paint an accurate picture of MTT ROI as a whole, nor to prepare Justin's taxes (LOL). The data sample, although from only one site is perfectly adequate for that end.

It is common to use whatever data is easily available and extrapolate from that. I don't think Justin deliberately plays lousy on other sites, or better on Stars, so the general assumptions are valid.

Another great thing about this post, is that it puts things into prespective.