5-10 PARTY POKER HAND..............

[hbgolfpro]

The game is 5-10 on Party....full table. I have two black aces UTG and raise. It is folded to MP +2 who calls cold as does the button. I have only been at the table for a short time and I have no info on the players as of yet. 3 to the flop for 7.5 sb.

Flop is K T 9 rainbow

I lead and MP + 2 hits it..the button folds. I call the raise (questionable).

Turn is a total blank.

I...??????

[Nick C]

I would 3-bet the flop. I think you'll have a decent edge here quite often, versus Villain's pair + gutshot type hand.

There are some potential drawbacks to calling and going for a checkraise on the turn: (1) Sometimes Villain will check behind and take the free card/cheap showdown. (2) Villain will sometimes be fastplaying a flopped straight or set or two-pair hand, and your checkraise could get 3-bet, with you not knowing where you stand in terms of outs.

[mowz]

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I...??????

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Rewind time, 3-bet the flop, then bet the turn.

I agree with Mowz. Why would you slow down here? I would assume you have the best hand here until someone strongly indicates otherwise.

[hbgolfpro]

Ok Mowz let me ask this....

1. What if he caps the flop once I 3 bet? Whats the line for 4th street?

2. If he calls the 3 bet and I lead the turn, do I then fold to a turn raise?

[slavic]

You want to end up i nthe position of pushing the the turn. He decided that he liked his hand on the flop, isolated you and took position. If you check this turn and he checks behind a tragedy has just unfolded. If all works to your plan you gain a half bet, if it doesn't you lose 1.5 bets, maybe more. If he has you beat you'll find out for about the same amount either way.

3 bet and lead the turn.

Now if we knew more about the player maybe this isn't the optimal line, but for a randome 5/10 online player that cold calls it certainly is.

[mowz]

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Ok Mowz let me ask this....

1. What if he caps the flop once I 3 bet? Whats the line for 4th street?

2. If he calls the 3 bet and I lead the turn, do I then fold to a turn raise?

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Without a read I would

1. Lead the turn and call down in the face of aggression.

2. Call down if he turn raises.

It is likely that the initial reraise was just meant to push out the button and define his hand. Further aggression means he has a hand, but you can't go folding aces when one opponent is being aggressive on an innocuous board. A read as normally passive may change your line, but I would do the above as default.

[Nick C]

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Ok Mowz let me ask this....

1. What if he caps the flop once I 3 bet? Whats the line for 4th street?

2. If he calls the 3 bet and I lead the turn, do I then fold to a turn raise?

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I'm not Mowz, but in scenario 1 I would try to decide between leading the turn or check-calling, have trouble reaching a decision, and arbitrarily pick one or the other. (I think I'd lead the turn more often, though, planning to call down if raised.)

In scenario 2, I would start calling down when I got raised on the turn, expecting to lose, but hoping I was up against a worse pair or that I would outdraw a two-pair hand like T9s on the river.

[hbgolfpro]

Thanks for your replies guys. But if he caps the flop and then pops me again on 4th street, he is SHOUTING that I am beat. Does he have to drop a load of bricks on my head to know that I am not winning? Why call the turn raise and a subsequent river bet knowing that I am beat? Thats 2 BB and an hours worth of work.....give or take.

[BurnsvilleCardClub]

Based on Buttons stats- if MP2 calls the raise cold, then 3 bet buliding with the pot with the best hand. If Button folds to the 2 bet, then smooth call MP2's raise and then C/R the turn, because his handrange on that board he is almost 100% likely to bet the turn and not check behind, therefore check raise the turn if it's heads up and then lead the river-