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Old 08-16-2005, 12:52 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default $11\'s 7 hands from last night

Here are 7 hands from last night's losing session. Please critique (all are $11's on Party). I will discuss my thought process...

(sorry, converter has not worked for me in a while)

Hand #1 - I was a little on tilt, but still thinking ok... I think. I was in late position w/ a nice hand and I wanted to show strength pf. I did not believe villain had K on flop, 7 possible, but I thought I could scare him into thinking I had a King...
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Brewthirty (800)
Seat 2: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (800)
Seat 3: maoball (800)
Seat 4: smokey544 (800)
Seat 5: CDLGolf (800)
Seat 6: TurdHerman (800)
Seat 7: ckbuddy (800)
Seat 8: chillieu (800)
Seat 9: rhasler (800)
Seat 10: supacj (800)
TurdHerman posts small blind (10)
ckbuddy posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ Ah, Jc ]
chillieu folds.
rhasler folds.
supacj folds.
Brewthirty calls (15)
Dr_Jeckyl_00 raises (60) to 60
maoball folds.
smokey544 folds.
CDLGolf folds.
TurdHerman folds.
ckbuddy folds.
Brewthirty calls (45)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7d, Ks, Kh ]
Brewthirty bets (150)
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls (150)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qs ]
Brewthirty bets (250)
Dr_Jeckyl_00 raises (590) to 590
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In.
Result in whte below
<font color="white"> Villain folded</font>

Hand #2 - I hate calling all-in w/ AK preflop, but I can't seem to lay this down...
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (830)
Seat 5: jiggasmith (2419)
Seat 6: hrdknx (2361)
Seat 7: DoItUNeverNo (740)
Seat 8: ThumperToo (635)
Seat 9: rastaboss (1015)
Dr_Jeckyl_00 posts small blind (50)
jiggasmith posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ As, Ks ]
hrdknx calls (100)
DoItUNeverNo calls (100)
ThumperToo folds.
rastaboss raises (1015) to 1015
rastaboss is all-In.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls (780)
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In.
jiggasmith folds.
hrdknx folds.
DoItUNeverNo folds.
Creating Main Pot with $1960 with Dr_Jeckyl_00
Creating Side Pot 1 with $185 with rastaboss
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2c, 3h, 6h ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Td ]
Result in whte below
<font color="white"> Villain won w/ pocket 77</font>

Hand #3 - Villain showed strength, so I did not want to get committed, but I liked my position and my hand... I also liked the flop!
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: combat_rock (660)
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (765)
Seat 4: flopbuddha (855)
Seat 5: nordcat78 (660)
Seat 6: Geneva1484 (870)
Seat 7: PHILTHY1 (920)
Seat 8: Guido8811 (895)
Seat 9: arod812 (775)
Seat 10: PocketsSnake (1600)
Geneva1484 posts small blind (15)
PHILTHY1 posts big blind (30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ Ah, Jd ]
Guido8811 raises (90) to 90
arod812 folds.
PocketsSnake folds.
combat_rock folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls (90)
flopbuddha folds.
nordcat78 folds.
Geneva1484 folds.
PHILTHY1 calls (60)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3c, Ac, 6h ]
PHILTHY1 checks.
Guido8811 bets (300)
Dr_Jeckyl_00 raises (675) to 675
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In.
PHILTHY1 folds.
Guido8811 calls (375)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5d ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 7s ]
Result in whte below
<font color="white"> Villain won w/ AK... better kicker</font>

Hand #4 - The forum is always talking about making good calls, which I rarely make. Villain had min bet a lot throughout the game, and had weak hands when caught (Q7 was one I recall against me)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: Dodio359 (1295)
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (1265)
Seat 4: Hollenhund (2550)
Seat 6: ogden71 (2350)
Seat 10: vtncali (540)
Dr_Jeckyl_00 posts small blind (100)
Hollenhund posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ 9h, Jd ]
ogden71 folds.
vtncali folds.
Dodio359 raises (400) to 400
Dr_Jeckyl_00 raises (1165) to 1265
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In.
Hollenhund folds.
Dodio359 calls (865)
Creating Main Pot with $2730 with Dr_Jeckyl_00
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2h, 6d, 5s ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 6c ]
Result in whte below
<font color="white"> Villain had 55 </font>

Hand #5 - I was getting correct odds to chase
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: CoolHandTT (915)
Seat 2: RoamABout (775)
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (545)
Seat 4: mads101 (800)
Seat 5: rckc11 (800)
Seat 6: Izzafro (1065)
Seat 7: jiggyjackjak (730)
Seat 8: sesses2 (800)
Seat 9: captainsteve (785)
Seat 10: LBINJ (785)
Dr_Jeckyl_00 posts small blind (10)
mads101 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ 8d, 2d ]
rckc11 calls (15)
Izzafro folds.
jiggyjackjak folds.
sesses2 calls (15)
captainsteve calls (15)
LBINJ calls (15)
CoolHandTT calls (15)
RoamABout calls (15)
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls (5)
mads101 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6d, 4s, Td ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 checks.
mads101 checks.
rckc11 checks.
sesses2 checks.
captainsteve bets (75)
LBINJ folds.
CoolHandTT calls (75)
RoamABout folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls (75)
mads101 folds.
rckc11 calls (75)
sesses2 calls (75)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6s ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 checks.
rckc11 checks.
sesses2 checks.
captainsteve bets (150)
CoolHandTT folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls (150)
rckc11 folds.
sesses2 folds.
** Dealing River ** : [ 8c ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 bets (305)
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In.
Result in whte below
<font color="white"> Villain folded, I hit hit flush</font>

Hand #6 - This was a failed attempt to steal the blinds. I did not want to push and committ myself b/c I had 13xBB left and I could get away if reraised... I had no post flop plan... in hind sight I probably should have continuation bet since rags flopped
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: CoolHandTT (880)
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (1235)
Seat 4: mads101 (640)
Seat 5: rckc11 (1665)
Seat 6: Izzafro (2680)
Seat 10: LBINJ (900)
Dr_Jeckyl_00 posts small blind (50)
mads101 posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ 9h, Ks ]
rckc11 folds.
Izzafro folds.
LBINJ folds.
CoolHandTT folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 raises (250) to 300
mads101 calls (200)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6d, 4c, 3c ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 checks.
mads101 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8s ]
Dr_Jeckyl_00 bets (200)
mads101 raises (340) to 340
mads101 is all-In.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls (140)
** Dealing River ** : [ Ac ]
Result in whte below
<font color="white"> Villain wins w/ T8 </font>

Hand # 7 - I had an over pocket pair, and I did not think he would be so aggressive if he hit flush...
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: cp183 (720)
Seat 2: jshale19 (1715)
Seat 3: Dr_Jeckyl_00 (785)
Seat 5: drhand (785)
Seat 6: todd_n_nella (740)
Seat 7: MustBeKiddin (830)
Seat 8: Robbijack (800)
Seat 9: jaws47 (800)
Seat 10: rowe22 (825)
drhand posts small blind (10)
todd_n_nella posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Dr_Jeckyl_00 [ 7s, 7d ]
MustBeKiddin calls (15)
Robbijack folds.
jaws47 folds.
rowe22 calls (15)
cp183 raises (40) to 40
jshale19 folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 calls (40)
drhand folds.
todd_n_nella folds.
MustBeKiddin calls (25)
rowe22 calls (25)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6h, 3h, 5h ]
MustBeKiddin bets (475)
rowe22 folds.
cp183 folds.
Dr_Jeckyl_00 raises (745) to 745
Dr_Jeckyl_00 is all-In.
MustBeKiddin calls (270)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8c ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 5c ]
Result in whte below
<font color="white"> Villain has QJh flopped flush </font>

Please quote this into your response to make it easier

Hand 1 AJo
Hand 2 AKs
Hand 3 AJo
Hand 4 J9o
Hand 5 82d
Hand 6 K9o
Hand 7 77
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Old 08-16-2005, 01:22 PM
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Default Re: $11\'s 7 hands from last night

1) AJo. I probably just fold pre-flop. Your post flop play was completely suicidal. Be happy that you got lucky. If you're going to play post flop like this, it's all the more reason to just fold pre-flop here.

2) AKs Your play was fine. You were getting sufficient overlay to call the push. Some people might fold here, but I don't mind calling at all.

3) AJo This hand was inexcusable. What are you doing calling an UTG raise with this crap? Easy fold pre-flop.

4) 9Jo Sure, you might get villain to fold if he's on a complete steal, but you're playing an 11. He's probably not folding. This is FPS. You are not desperate. Fold and move on.

5) 28s How did you hit your flush? A third diamond never came.

6) K9o. Push pre-flop.

7) 77 I actually fold the flop here. You have zero FE and against even two overs with one heart (AhKc or whatever) you're 50-50. This is one of those spots where I'll let my opponent have the pot early (even though I may well be ahead) and move on. You could also be against a higher PP or a set. If he's doing this with the Ah and another over, he can have the pot.

Overall, you really need to tighten up your play A LOT.
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Old 08-16-2005, 01:28 PM
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Well, first I'd like to commend you for your thought process. I was really going with you on Hand 1, but then it sort of deteriorated after that.

Hand 1 AJo
Postflop, I think this play works great at higher buyins. IMO, the only fault you could have here is that this is a $10+1, and they are not always folding (because they're too stupid, their 99 hand looks too pretty). Anyway, I'm confident villain had a medium pair, and you did a great job of representing AK.
Preflop: In my experience, playing AJ here is a leak, especially with the raise in MP. If you were the button or CO, I could see playing this hand (but, I still don't recommend it). I'd muck next time, and choose a better spot to mix it up.

Hand 2 AKs
Easy, easy call. You should be salivating here...
The pot is laying you 1.38:1 to call here. So even if you're in a coinflip situation, it's a profitable move. Regardless of the pot odds, you're ahead here with AK against the typical pushing hand range.

Hand 3 AJo
Yeah, another poorly played AJ hand. TP3K really sucks. Be aggressive with your premium hands. AJ is not one of those. Curing this leak will save you money.

Hand 4 J9o
I really don't like the resteal here with this hand. It turned out to be ok (not being results oriented). I think the hand range you need to put villain on is any pair, any ace, most Ks, any two broadway. Your card equity against this range is less than 38%. I guess if I knew more, for example that villain could make a laydown, or that villain has been antogonizing you, that there is some reason to believe that he could fold this, it makes this a little more interesting. But calling here is far different than reraising (per your comments, "making great calls."

Hand 5 82d
Well, I know you have pot odds to call this bet with two cards to come, but I don't think with these small starting stacks that it's wise to think this way. If you're going to chase, chase when the pot is offering you odds for just one card to come, not two. Also, the initial flop bet is awfully strong to be chasing. This is a great time to fold this very marginal (non-nut) flush draw hand.

Hand 6 K9o
Yes, a flop continuation bet is better (forget about hand results), or even a check fold. As it played, I don't mind your line that much. Edit: Yes, push preflop.

Hand 7 77
This is not the overpair you're looking for in these situations. I fold here 100% of the time. Villains' bet is very strong. IMO, you're behind here very often.

Conclusion: You should consider that you discovered 5 big leaks in your game here. If it hasn't cost you money yet, then you can consider the fact that you will now not lose money playing in this manner.

Good luck at the tables.
Scuba
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Old 08-16-2005, 01:33 PM
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Hand 6 K9o
Yes, a flop continuation bet is better (forget about hand results), or even a check fold. As it played, I don't mind your line that much.

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Chuck, I can't see how raising anything other than all-in pre-flop could be correct here. I think even folding pre-flop would be better than mini-raising. This seems like a clear push to me.

Oops sorry, I saw that you edited your post...
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Old 08-16-2005, 01:36 PM
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Hand 6 K9o
Yes, a flop continuation bet is better (forget about hand results), or even a check fold. As it played, I don't mind your line that much.

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I fixed my post already. Pushing is clearly better here. I was remarking on how he had played it. But yes, pushing first is clearly the better fix.
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Old 08-16-2005, 01:47 PM
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#1 - I'd probably fold preflop here. Sometimes I call, but I really don't like the raise with AJ this early. When the blinds are worth it you can raise, but these blinds aren't worth fighting over. The rest of the hand makes me uncomfortable thinking about. I'm not sure if your line is good or not? I guess if you put him on a non-King and wanted to get him all in (and/or preserve your FE) you should push his flop bet.

#2 - I think this is fine.

#3 - I'd fold this PF. AJ isn't a hand I want to play a raised pot with this early on.

#4 - Fold. The raiser is getting pretty good odds to call here (&gt;2:1). And you definitely don't want him calling.

#5 - I'd just fold the flop.

#6 - If you want to play this pot you should just push. I think pushing is okay here, unless you've done it to him that past 4 orbits or have a crazy table image for some other reason. You can't fold to BB's push so just use all of your FE now.

#7 - I'd fold the flop here.
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:00 PM
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Hand 1 AJo
Hand 2 AKs
Hand 3 AJo
Hand 4 J9o
Hand 5 82d
Hand 6 K9o
Hand 7 77


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#1 call or muck, not a raising hand early. No need to play for a mid-sized pot early w/ AJo especially with lots of players yet to act. now see how big the pot is on the flop? give up on the turn

#2 you can muck it but lots of blinds so I don't mind.

#3 AJ see above. its a weak hand, don't call a raise in this spot, ever.

#4 make calls w/ pot odds but always consider your stack. you want to generally make calls from pot odds if you have a huge stack or micro stack &amp; are in the blinds. these situations can lay you the best odds. but don't fall in love with calling if to call you'll have to call off a decent chunk of your stack. you do not win SNGs by racing constantly. SNGs are won by stealing blinds &amp; not showing down (late in the tourney). that siad FOLD.

#5 4565454654654 ppl in the hand. you can be certain you aren't drawing anywhere near the best flush. when the turn comes you should assume with 2398902834 players someone has trips or a boat.

#6 see why a continuation bet is important flops miss ppl 2/3 of the time

#7 draw heavy board be prepared to muck. any overcard / broadway will make you scared to continue with your hand
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:01 PM
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Hand 1 AJo: Up against a pair, I'd let it go. I don't like the raise all-in.

Hand 2 AKs: It's possible he's stealing with AJ etc, but then again it's a perfect move to make with TT+, so you could be racing, even money, or dominated. If you had a read on him, you could put him on aces or kings, but with no read, your pot odds of 780 to 1365 I think makes this a solid call, given his likely range of hands.

Hand 3 AJo: I think obviously all-in and fold were your only two options. This one could be a little tricky. This early in a tourney you likely don't have any reads on your opp, but with a nice 3x raise preflop and a pot bet after the flop, I think he has the Ace. If he's a tight player you should let it go, you're probably up against AK. But if he's a loose player at the 10+1's, all-in is a better choice.

Hand 4 J9o: Fold. You're in the SB with a horrible hand facing a raise. If it folded around to you, stealing would be fine. But you have the proper position to pick a better spot to move in, and I think that reraising all in is also bad because he's most likely going to call, so your either even money against another random steal hand, or he's actually got something and now you're in need of help, when you could have let it go and picked a better spot.

Hand 5 82d: It's true, you were getting odds to call down, but this hand gives me an uneasy feeling. You are getting odds to chase, but with that many people in, and the hand you are chasing with, there is no guarantee that you have the winning hand even when you hit your flush. Secondly, with such a large pot, that river bet is probably not going to chase anyone out of the pot on 5th street, so you're better making a semi-bluff on the turn and hoping to get him out there, or draw on the river. With all these factors combined with the fact that it's early and you have plenty of time to wait, I may have folded this on the turn bet. I think you should have folded, or maybe gone all-in. I lean towards fold. Also, on the flop, with two people to act behind you (especially people that called in early position), you may have wanted to consider folding because you don't actually know what your pot odds will be. And with a that hand you can't draw to a pair, so stronger hands behind you can chase you out easily with the right raise. It's something to watch out for and it's probably a good reason to let this go on the flop.

Hand 6 K9o: He's the small stack, put him all in preflop, but if not then, definitely go all in on the flop.

Hand 7 77: Even if he doesn't have the flush, he probably has a draw to it, and you don't. It's possible you have him beat, and at a higher level your move might be correct, but this early in the tournament I think you can let this one go and go on your merry way.
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:07 PM
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thanks for more great advice. Both you and Scuba say that AJ is garbage. So what hands do I play besides the obvious AA-QQ and AK? I play all pocket pairs looking to hit a set (1-3xbb bet) and fold when missed... unless my pp is an over pair.

Yes, I have many leaks to fix and post flop play is one of them.

The K9 failed steal - at what point do I stop pushing to steal and swith to 3xbb betting? Other advice I have received suggested that at some point pushing is too risky when I am in good shape. I definitely go from one extreme to the other.

What is "FPS"?
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:09 PM
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Thanks for the advice Scuba.

Both you and 45s don't like AJ. I asked 45s, but want to make sure to get feedback from you too, what hands should I be playing besides the obvious AA-QQ and AK?

What is broadway?

Thanks again.
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