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Old 08-19-2005, 11:25 AM
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Default Re: A10o OOP

Call down. It's got to get a lot scarier before you should fold this.
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Old 08-19-2005, 11:26 AM
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That is strange...3bet, check?

I think I bet...now let me see if I can figure out why. UTG looks like he's either on a draw or has an A but is scared of his kicker. And I guess SB is likely on a free-card play. (Or maybe 2 pr that wimped out after 2 players called his 3bet?)

I think we are either still ahead here, or have many outs, and I don't want them to draw for nothing, so I bet and hope SB isn't on a checkraise.
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Old 08-19-2005, 11:28 AM
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Unless he's ultra laggro preflop, you gotta dump this preflop dude.

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He's aggressive preflop and with only one limper before him, he could be raising just about anything. You're getting 6:1, probably 7:1, to call. You need to see this flop, even if Button is the rockiest rock that ever rocked.
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Old 08-19-2005, 11:33 AM
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Calls, planning to call down UI against an unknown.

Guess the PFR's hand wasn't that great after all, eh?
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Old 08-19-2005, 11:35 AM
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...doesn't want to get C/R'd, so takes a free card.

Hey, that rhymes.
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Old 08-19-2005, 11:45 AM
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...have many outs...

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Huh? We had a lot of outs on the flop. Now we've lost both our backdoor draws, we're drawing dead to a set, possibly dead to a better ace, we aren't HU, and this would be a crap-ass place to get c/r'd. I stick to my plan and get as cheap a showdown as I can; you are not going to get a flush draw to fold for one bet.
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Old 08-19-2005, 11:48 AM
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I stick to my plan and get as cheap a showdown as I can; you are not going to get a flush draw to fold for one bet.

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No, but you earn Sklansky bucks off of them.
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Old 08-19-2005, 11:50 AM
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Default Re: Hmmm. Is this a leak?

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...The preflop call is slightly on the loose side, but basically fine, especially when you consider that button could have been trying to isolate so his range is a little wider than normal.

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I would never cold call with A10o, but I pretty much always play it for one bet out of the BB unless the pre-flop raiser is pretty tight.

Leak?

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Like so many things, this is situational. In this case you've got an aggressive preflop raiser in a position where he could be trying to isolate against a weakling; I think you're giving up waaaay too much by not playing here.
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Old 08-19-2005, 11:53 AM
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I stick to my plan and get as cheap a showdown as I can; you are not going to get a flush draw to fold for one bet.

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No, but you earn Sklansky bucks off of them.

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True. Too bad my golf pro won't take Sklansky bucks. HU I bet this in a second, tho.
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Old 08-19-2005, 12:05 PM
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Default Re: Hmmm. Is this a leak?

The button was not described as aggressive in the OP. Anyway, according to the "big-ace" theory of raising, ATo sucks against a typical pfr. The fact that everyone folded to the button does make it stink like a steal, so in this case calling can be ok, just don't get trapped.
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