Move to $1/2 level ?

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I'll put this as nicely as I can.

You're a [censored], mate.

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Yeah and my winrate is only 1.7 bb/100 at 1/2, so I cant even fall back on that like you can.

And I must ask this now since I forgot before.

You datamine to determine the best table and the best seat and refuse to sit down until you get the exact spot you want.

And now you got the perfect seat. Bad player or two to left, good players to right. perfect position. Except 3 hands into the table, the bad players leave, replaced by other players you have no datamined hands (OMG UNKNOWN PLAYER - RUN FOR THE HILLS). What now? leave the table to find another perfect seat.

And what happens if you sit a table you so determinely datamined, so all the little PokerWhatever numbers show up for you and you can easily watch porn instead of the table and still have reads on the players, and the table turns over quickly and now you have no information whatsoever? Bet you leave that table immediately, because your winrate might dip a little below 6bb/100 if you suddenly find yourself playing against a bunch of unknowns.

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Well I had a good sleep and I wakeup and find that this kept going. Now I have to admit that last night when I wrote the above I was very tired and just couldn't be bothered defending myself when I honestly saw no reason to defend. I'm feeling nicer now so I'll give it a go.

First of all to pokertracker. We don't play live. We don't have the advantages of tells and people skills to utilise. We don't play against the same players and see the same faces and get to know how they play and how to take advantage of them. At these limits especially we're up against complete unknowns a good proportion of the time. Pokertracker goes a little way to addressing these problems.
Tommy Angelo posted a thread a month ago in the high stakes forum where the entire post consisted of him sitting down at a table, unloading his chips, and from the information he received getting up and leaving as the table conditions weren't right. End of session. He got bagged for it by a lot of people as well.
I try and find 3 bad players on a full table. If I can't, I will go with two. I try and put myself in a position where I won't be hammered by TAG's. Those are my starting requirements. Sometimes I sit down and I beat up the TAG's, not the bad players. Sometimes the bad players beat up on me. But if I'm feeling good and playing well I stay at the table. Those are my only requirements to keep playing at a table. If I'm feeling good and playing well. After that I don't really give a crap who sits down. I just want to get off to a good start if possible.
And I don't have any problems with unknowns sitting down due to the fact that I never multitable. Ever. If you don't believe me do a search of my posts. I've said it often. It doesn't work for me. Because I like to watch. I like to observe. And I love it when I make a play and it comes off based on what I've seen. I don't watch porn. I find it very boring. The only thing that I do whilst playing, (to my detriment but I'm unable to stop), is surf 2+2.

I originally posted my thread to state what helped me the most when I moved up. There are many other things that are important and I alluded to them in my original post. There are many other skills and ideas that helped me. But seat selection and table selection at that point in time in my poker playing career helped me the most.
You chose to question my poker ability. You chose to ask me to pull my [censored] out of my pants. Unfortuantely I fell for your little trap due to being absolutely exhausted and you tried to take full advantage. I thank the posters who stood up for me on this thread, it was really nice to see.

By the way, the reason that I was so tired last night is due to the fact that I had to drive a 400km round trip in the Italian Alps to pick up my new Alfa Romeo sports car.
Ah ha ha ha.

[ClaytonN]

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All the 70 vpip guys are at the 6max tables anyway. playing 1/2 full ring is like watching paint dry.

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not when you play ten tables at once, my friend

I'm just over 2bb/100 in 20k hands at party 1/2. Excitedly once my BR grew to $1200 i moved up to party 2/4...

I found there wasn't a little more agression but a _LOT_ more agression. Multiple players at a table 4 betting preflop and flop with just rediculous hands.

If you can learn to play against that I can see huge profit potential as people are just throwing huge chunks of money into the pot. it's not uncommon to see 90%+ VPIPers. Unfortunetly that type of random play just completely demolished me and I've since moved back down until I gain enough knowledge to play correctly against them.

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Instead, learn to play HUSH, sit at an empty table, and let the fish come to you. You'll be surprised at how good this works.

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This is so great advice, it's unbelievable. What newbie wants to queue up? Exactly!

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I'm just over 2bb/100 in 20k hands at party 1/2. Excitedly once my BR grew to $1200 i moved up to party 2/4...

I found there wasn't a little more agression but a _LOT_ more agression. Multiple players at a table 4 betting preflop and flop with just rediculous hands.

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Maybe you ran into a 2+2 table. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

One of the problems with Party is that for some weird reason they don't have 6-max tables at 2/4. This means many LAGs who would be playing 6-max (and those who would be taking their money) are forced to play full ring. (Others just move to Stars or UB.)

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Tiltaholic posted a fantastic thread on moving up to 1/2, (which you never followed up on!! lol

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i'm lazy...and basically the punchline is - "become a better player than the opposition". which would be a long post...

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Link?

[JoshNjuice]

I don't have much to add, but this post just made my day. I've been having trouble with this same thing (12K hands for 2.86 BB/100 at $.5/1, doing poorly every time I take a shot at $1/2) lately and it's been very discouraging.

This post has given me some good ideas and some much needed encouragement. I typically 4-table and I really like the suggestion to try 2 $.5/1 and 2 $1/2 tables. I think that will help make my transition easier and keep my confidence somewhat intact.

Thanks everyone for your input and thanks OP for starting the thread.

JoshNjuice

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Tiltaholic posted a fantastic thread on moving up to 1/2, (which you never followed up on!! lol

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i'm lazy...and basically the punchline is - "become a better player than the opposition". which would be a long post...

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Link?

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[Marat]

Thank you a lot to all!!