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Old 11-03-2005, 11:03 AM
pokerjunky pokerjunky is offline
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Default Anybody fold a straight here?

BB is 45/1/.2 Very passive and straightforward, doens't bet or raise without the goods. So far my reads on him have been correct.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero calls, [color=#666666]3 folds</font>, [color=#CC3333]MP2 raises</font>, [color=#666666]2 folds</font>, Button calls, [color=#666666]1 fold</font>, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](4 players)</font>
BB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets</font>, [color=#CC3333]MP2 raises</font>, Button calls, BB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.20 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](4 players)</font>
BB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets</font>, [color=#CC3333]MP2 raises</font>, Button folds, BB calls, [color=#CC3333]Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, BB calls.

River: (17.20 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](3 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]BB bets</font>, Hero folds, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 19.20 BB
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Old 11-03-2005, 11:07 AM
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Default Re: Anybody fold a straight here?

ummm...no. not in this big pot for 1BB with a possibility of a slowplayed Ace or a donk-paired K.
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Old 11-03-2005, 01:48 PM
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Default Re: Anybody fold a straight here?

I think it is a terrible fold. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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Old 11-03-2005, 02:02 PM
pokerjunky pokerjunky is offline
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Default Re: Anybody fold a straight here?

Very, very rarely would I fold this, even against loose passives, but I felt that my read on this guy was rock solid based on his playing habits, not stats alone. Turns out I was right although I understand the arguments for not folding this in a 19BB pot.
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Old 11-03-2005, 02:28 PM
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Default Re: Anybody fold a straight here?

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Very, very rarely would I fold this, even against loose passives, but I felt that my read on this guy was rock solid based on his playing habits, not stats alone. Turns out I was right although I understand the arguments for not folding this in a 19BB pot.

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If he accidently flipped over one of his cards and it was the ace of diamonds I still would have called this river bet.
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Old 11-03-2005, 02:33 PM
flopmonster flopmonster is offline
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Default Re: Anybody fold a straight here?

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Very, very rarely would I fold this, even against loose passives, but I felt that my read on this guy was rock solid based on his playing habits, not stats alone. Turns out I was right although I understand the arguments for not folding this in a 19BB pot.

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If he accidently flipped over one of his cards and it was the ace of diamonds I still would have called this river bet.

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HAHAHA nice post
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Old 11-03-2005, 02:35 PM
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Default Re: Anybody fold a straight here?

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Very, very rarely would I fold this, even against loose passives, but I felt that my read on this guy was rock solid based on his playing habits, not stats alone. Turns out I was right although I understand the arguments for not folding this in a 19BB pot.

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This makes me sad. If you rely upon reads to make folds like this holding strong hands like this, in big ass pots like this you are making crucial mistakes. My dog would call that bet. It absolutely does not matter that you were "right" because you were NOT right. You were completely wrong. Calling this bet clearly has a positive expectation getting about 20/1. This is a profitable call and you missed it. Results are meaningless here.
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Old 11-03-2005, 02:53 PM
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Default Re: Anybody fold a straight here?

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Results are meaningless here.

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Results are worse than meaningless since they often give the wrong feedback. When I read the OPs post, I thought "He could be 'right' 15 times in a row and it still wouldn't be enough to prove that folding was the correct play."
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Old 11-03-2005, 11:11 AM
SeaEagle SeaEagle is offline
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Default Re: Anybody fold a straight here?

How many hands against this guy? It's mighty dangerous to fold a 19BB pot for a single bet. I'd need at least 300-400 hands before I'd give the .2 enough credit to fold this, and even then I'm not sure.
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Old 11-03-2005, 11:49 AM
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Default Re: Anybody fold a straight here?

there is no way in hell im folding here.
i think you see them playing Ax this way more than enough for it to be worth it.
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