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Old 12-29-2005, 02:56 PM
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Default Re: The nature of 800 chip games

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BTW, don't throw stuff at me ~ but I usually fold this PF at this level. *Ducks*

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My post flop skills would have to be completely retarded in order to fold here, especially at a 22. Most often my raise is going to buy me the button, and there's just been one EP limper.

Do you know how many times you're going to double up here by hitting TP and get paid off by KQ, AJ, etc...
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Old 12-29-2005, 02:57 PM
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Default Re: The nature of 800 chip games

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Who's Harrington?

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Dan Harrington. He wrote two books on NLHE tournies.
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Old 12-29-2005, 02:58 PM
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Default Re: The nature of 800 chip games

sorry, only looked at the HH but:

I wouldn't check this flop

I would go broke here in a $215
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Old 12-29-2005, 03:01 PM
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Default Re: The nature of 800 chip games

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I wouldn't check this flop

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Crap, yeah, I overlooked that. I was responding to the "theory" part of this rather than the actual hand.

No way I check the flop. The board is way too draw heavy, and you've got no reason to believe the button will bet for you (you said you don't know him, so you can't say he's hyper-aggro or something). Just bet it, and if it comes back to you raised, three-bet all-in.
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Old 12-29-2005, 03:03 PM
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Default Re: The nature of 800 chip games

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sorry, only looked at the HH but:

I wouldn't check this flop

I would go broke here in a $215

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Thanks for the response, I questioned my C/R, normally I would not check here. But based on his play to that point, I expected a bet from him if checked to. Kind of a stupid thing to think considering it was just level 2, but he had bet up to this point in the game when checked to.
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Old 12-29-2005, 03:04 PM
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Maybe I missed something. But the blinds were 15/30 right? And the player w/ KK just smooth called ur raise right?

I only raise AQos when it's folded down or 1 or maybe 2 limpers...and then I'm not going to push AQos to over 4xBB..but that's just me.

Especially EARLY in a SNG...when the blinds are small...I'm waiting on either premium hands ( sorry I don't personally see AQos as a top tier hand...AKs barely makes it top tier in my book ).

as for post flop...

Well if it were me I'd be wondering what the button smooth called with. ( Did he insta-call with no visible hesitation? )

Automatically I'd be putting him on AK, KK QQ, maybe JJ..but I always think worse case.

Plus now you've got a possible fl draw out there, as well as a str draw.

But again, just my lowly opinion, probably many more people here with much more experience than I have.
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Old 12-29-2005, 03:07 PM
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Automatically I'd be putting him on AK, KK QQ, maybe JJ..but I always think worse case.

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As I said in my OP, the C/R was dumb. But my god, this is a 22. I'd never put a caller of my raise on a range that narrow. Have you played a 22 recently? Do you see the crap that guys call with pre-flop?
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Old 12-29-2005, 03:07 PM
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Default Re: The nature of 800 chip games

The only way to get away from this hand is to fold preflop. BTW, if you were button, and had aces, would you play it any different?

Anyway, this hand reminded me of a hand I played last night that I thought was interesting. FWIW, I don't play Kings the way button did, I hate giving infinite odds for villain to hit his ace.

***** Hand History for Game 3277553297 *****
15/30 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 18690672) - Wed Dec 28 22:14:03 EST 2005
Table Table 67196 (Real Money) -- Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: rockondisco (890)
Seat 2: bsec35 (800)
Seat 3: sickhamlet (800)
Seat 4: APD03 (800)
Seat 5: MickeyCe77 (720)
Seat 6: syd1976guy (800)
Seat 7: BenzoFive (800)
Seat 8: mcdono19 (800)
Seat 9: bacon123321 (790)
Seat 10: Scuba_Chuck (800)
rockondisco posts small blind (10)
bsec35 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Scuba_Chuck [ Ac, Ah ]
sickhamlet raises (30) to 30
APD03 folds.
MickeyCe77 folds.
syd1976guy folds.
BenzoFive folds.
mcdono19 folds.
bacon123321 folds.
Scuba_Chuck raises (100) to 100
rockondisco calls (90)
bsec35 folds.
sickhamlet calls (70)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5h, 5d, 3c ]
rockondisco checks.
sickhamlet checks.
Scuba_Chuck bets (175)
rockondisco calls (175)
sickhamlet calls (175)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 9s ]
rockondisco checks.
sickhamlet checks.
Scuba_Chuck bets (525)
Scuba_Chuck is all-In.
rockondisco calls (525)
sickhamlet folds.
** Dealing River ** : [ 8s ]
Creating Main Pot with $1890 with Scuba_Chuck
** Summary **
Main Pot: 1890 |
Board: [ 5h 5d 3c 9s 8s ]
rockondisco balance 90, lost 800 [ Kh Kc ] [ two pairs, kings and fives -- Kh,Kc,9s,5h,5d ]
sickhamlet balance 525, lost 275 (folded)
<font color="red"> sickhamlet said he folded QQ. So he min-raised ladies utg. </font>
Scuba_Chuck balance 1890, bet 800, collected 1890, net +1090 [ Ac Ah ] [ two pairs, aces and fives -- Ac,Ah,9s,5h,5d ]
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Old 12-29-2005, 03:09 PM
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Default Re: The nature of 800 chip games

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The only way to get away from this hand is to fold preflop. BTW, if you were button, and had aces, would you play it any different?

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Much differently. I would not smooth call with aces from the button. I'd re-pop it and try to get all my money in pre-flop.

I would have preferred this, of course, since I'd have folded my AQ to a substantial re-raise.
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Old 12-29-2005, 03:12 PM
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Default Re: The nature of 800 chip games

I don't know if it is possible to avoid doubling up the button. But I don't like your CR on the flop. What if villain checks, you've given him a free card in case he is on a draw. I think a half pot bet on the flop is best. He will likely raise you and maybe you can fold, but I think the best players probably call and check it down. People on this forum claim that you should not go broke with tptk, (and some claim they can fold here) but I don't recall anyone ever posting such a hand. To your point... there are not enough chips to get away from strong hands... even at level 2!
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