when to let go of CRs gone bad

slik · #1 10-23-2005, 04:41 PM

villain is 53/10/4.33 over 50 hands

PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Hero calls, CO calls, Button raises, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG calls, Hero calls, CO folds.

Flop: (10 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets, SB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets, UTG calls, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets, UTG calls, Hero raises, Button 3-bets, UTG folds, Hero?.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

me454555 · #2 10-23-2005, 04:49 PM

Checkraise that flop for value, you have more than enough outs to maket this a good play. On the river, the pot is so big and your hand is so strong that folding is out of the question. I think you're river checkraise is fine and I'd just call the 3 bet expecting to be beaten

TheMetetron · #3 10-23-2005, 04:57 PM

Welcome to how to butcher a hand 101.

Raise PF.

As you played it c/r the flop.

As you played it after failing to do both of those, I cannot help you out. I don't play this badly, sorry.

Nietzsche · #4 10-23-2005, 05:04 PM

I CR the flop for value. On the river I CR and fold against a TAG but against this opponent I call the 3-bet.

Terrabon98 · #5 10-23-2005, 05:06 PM

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Welcome to how to butcher a hand 101.

Raise PF.

As you played it c/r the flop.

As you played it after failing to do both of those, I cannot help you out. I don't play this badly, sorry.

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I wonder if you really believe other people think you're cool when you make fun of people trying to learn. It's amazing how morons never think about how bad they themselves used to be (and probably still are)

Anyway, you should certainly check-raise this flop. I assumed you were checking b/c you expected the button to bet and thus you could trap a couple players in for at least two bets on the flop. On the river, I like the checkraise as the button will value bet a pair of aces and have a lot of trouble folding for one more in such a large pot. I agree with one of the other posters that you need to call the last bet, even though are usually beat. Not much you can do about that.

slik · #6 10-23-2005, 05:12 PM

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Welcome to how to butcher a hand 101.

Raise PF.

As you played it c/r the flop.

As you played it after failing to do both of those, I cannot help you out. I don't play this badly, sorry.

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HEHEHE. It's hard to play well when you were running as bad as I was. I did not raise preflop because it was a passive table and I expected it to be 5-6 handed. A raise and it might have been 3-4 handed.
You still raise preflop (not considering that I had low fold equity due to how bad I was running)?
As for the CRing the flop, do you follow through on the turn if you do not improve or check if checked to?
(button was aggressive and I thought I could trap the earlier player if I hit).

Nietzsche · #7 10-23-2005, 05:29 PM

On a passive table I really don't think this is a bad limp preflop. With little fold equity much of the reason for raising is gone.

On the turn I will normally check/call. A better hand will not always bet here and worse will sometimes fire again because of your weakness. Also I don't think a worse hand will that often. A free card is not a bad result. Your hand is also not supervulnerable the times you are ahead.

I wonder what others think about the turn had you CR'ed the flop.

jba · #8 10-23-2005, 05:36 PM

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On a passive table I really don't think this is a bad limp preflop. With little fold equity much of the reason for raising is gone.

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there is plenty of value alone to justify putting multiple bets in on the flop.

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I wonder what others think about the turn had you CR'ed the flop.

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we let the button bet the turn for us.

admiralfluff · #9 10-23-2005, 05:36 PM

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A free card is not a bad result

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You will only get a free card when you have the best hand. That is a bad result. Betting the turn means you are sometimes called by a worse hand. Checking means when you put a bet in, you are far more often behind.

me454555 · #10 10-23-2005, 05:45 PM

PF raise is key b/c you have an equity edge to which you'd push. If they fold, great, if they don't thats good too b/c you've got a pf equity advantage. Same goes for the flop c/r. I'd prolly check call the turn b/c he's not likely to fold.