2nd Hand of 15 +1 call this?

[barry111]

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Well I should state at this point for information sake that he had 95o. SO your right I definately should of bet turn. Ironicaly enough, my check was to induce a bluff on river if I was in fact ahead. I figure this was the same as betting and being called on turn. Any thoughts on that?

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PF raise=bad
Flop bet=good
turn check=good
river call=bad

Ironically, i like the turn check cas I want to save up my stack for later in a situation less ambiguous. Ok, it turned out he was a donk or had you on AK (stupid in and of itself) and got lucky . But, the flat flop call indicates great strength. If this were later on, I'd love this flop obviously. But with 3 players in calling god know what PPs, I am a little hesitant after being cold called for 2/3 pot.

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I could be a donk or maybe I had a read.
My Thoughts: I dont like my call of the PFR, but as I recall you had been entering every pot up until this point and I did not respect your raise. After the flop I which I had a part of, I had you on any two high cards, and I thought you were taking a stab at the pot, so I call. If you would have bet on the turn I could have let this go, but your check on the turn allowed me a free card. As for the river this was still level 1 and you had already put your chips in the middle several times, so there was a chance you would call my push, If you did not then I would win a nice pot and not have to show my junk hand.

[pooh74]

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Well I should state at this point for information sake that he had 95o. SO your right I definately should of bet turn. Ironicaly enough, my check was to induce a bluff on river if I was in fact ahead. I figure this was the same as betting and being called on turn. Any thoughts on that?

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PF raise=bad
Flop bet=good
turn check=good
river call=bad

Ironically, i like the turn check cas I want to save up my stack for later in a situation less ambiguous. Ok, it turned out he was a donk or had you on AK (stupid in and of itself) and got lucky . But, the flat flop call indicates great strength. If this were later on, I'd love this flop obviously. But with 3 players in calling god know what PPs, I am a little hesitant after being cold called for 2/3 pot.

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I could be a donk or maybe I had a read.
My Thoughts: I dont like my call of the PFR, but as I recall you had been entering every pot up until this point and I did not respect your raise. After the flop I which I had a part of, I had you on any two high cards, and I thought you were taking a stab at the pot, so I call. If you would have bet on the turn I could have let this go, but your check on the turn allowed me a free card. As for the river this was still level 1 and you had already put your chips in the middle several times, so there was a chance you would call my push, If you did not then I would win a nice pot and not have to show my junk hand.

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Ok...i wasnt even there I guess. But...

Lunchmeat, even if you dont respect his raise, what is your 95 ahead of? 72? this type of play is very -EV for level I of a sng. Youve been watching too much tv. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[rydazzle]

I think a raise here w/ no limpers isn't a leak, but with the limper I agree that a call here is better.

[pooh74]

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you overthought it on all levels. you gave a free card to a calling station that turned over 95o to beat you. keep it a bit more simple.

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1. hero doesnt know villain is a calling station so I dont know what you mean byt that...its not helpful.

2. How much would you bet this turn? the pot is 850, hero has ~1100 left. Any reasonable bet on this turn has to approximate half the pot or you might just beg for a reraise. either you're ahead or behind here. No reasonable draw on the board.

Yeah, I guess you're right...If villain flips his cards over this is an easy hand.

[bawcerelli]

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and you had already put your chips in the middle several times, so there was a chance you would call my push, If you did not then I would win a nice pot and not have to show my junk hand.

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OP said this was the second hand of the tourney

[bawcerelli]

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2. How much would you bet this turn? the pot is 850, hero has ~1100 left. Any reasonable bet on this turn has to approximate half the pot or you might just beg for a reraise. either you're ahead or behind here. No reasonable draw on the board.

Yeah, I guess you're right...If villain flips his cards over this is an easy hand.

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i'd bet about 4-5 hundred. if i'm called i'm (probably) beaten. however, i've got to give my opponent an opportunity to lay down his hand, not give him a free card to catch me.

[Roland32]

Yes I have been outed as Roland, not that it ws that hard to figure out.

This turn pops up all the time for me. Still not sure how to play it.

[pooh74]

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2. How much would you bet this turn? the pot is 850, hero has ~1100 left. Any reasonable bet on this turn has to approximate half the pot or you might just beg for a reraise. either you're ahead or behind here. No reasonable draw on the board.

Yeah, I guess you're right...If villain flips his cards over this is an easy hand.

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i'd bet about 4-5 hundred. if i'm called i'm (probably) beaten. however, i've got to give my opponent an opportunity to lay down his hand, not give him a free card to catch me.

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Forget the results! Whats he catching on the river? This is one of the most draw free boards possible. Villain called 240 in 370 pot on the flop, called a pf raise and I know nothing about him bc its the second hand. I am not necessarily going to give him credit for beating me, but, I am not going to bet 500 to find out here with my holding!!!

All in all, this is why AT sucks

[Roland32]

Of all my my recent posts this one is turning out to be the most helpful. My ROI has dropped from a little over $3 a game in the 16's to about 2.50. Over the last 200 or so. I am pretty sure I can narrow this down to loose play in the early stages. I will try to post some more early hands that have been a cause for concern

[bawcerelli]

i'm not sure what the level of play is like at 15+1 at pokerstars, but the 10+1 at UB i bet 500 on the turn and get called by ace high, or A5-A6.