WCOOP 500 PLHE Bustout Hand

TheTimeIsUp · #1 09-11-2005, 12:22 AM

I really don't see how it is possible for a check to be an option here.

Apathy · #2 09-11-2005, 12:28 AM

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I really don't see how it is possible for a check to be an option here.

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I think it is reasonable, it's pretty unlikely neither of those stacks will bet unless you are reasonably far ahead. I think my default line is to play it like you did though but I do see value in checking.

sirio11 · #3 09-11-2005, 12:28 AM

Why not? If one player check and the last player bets, you can check raise all in, why that play is not an option?

And it's not the only escenario possible.

Apathy · #4 09-11-2005, 12:34 AM

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Why not? If one player check and the last player bets, you can check raise all in, why that play is not an option?

And it's not the only escenario possible.

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As an experiment why not pretend you checked and give us the action back to us as you would predict it based on what the other players had and your read on them. I know there is a lot of guesswork involve but it may be interesting (I think you likely only know one of the two villains holdings).

TheTimeIsUp · #5 09-11-2005, 12:39 AM

Ok. A check/raise is definitley a different way to play this hand, but if we could, can we focus on how I played it, and if I can get away from it or not.

MLG · #6 09-11-2005, 12:45 AM

You have too much hand to fold here. I think there are too many situations which are beneficial for you. Basically either your hand has to be good now, or your flush draw has to be good for this play to be +EV. How often is that the case? Also how often is UTG+3 getting aggressive with a hand like 99 w/diamond. It would help to know their stack sizes. I'm also assuming that since these guys were in EP you will not be dealing with hands like 89s that tagged along and flopped a flush. Given that AA/KK are unlikely it seems that overs+flush draw are by far the most likely scenario, with the small possibility of AK/AQ flopping the nuts, and a smaller possibility of UTG+3 getting frisky with 77/88/99+diamond. I don't see how this can be a fold.

Apathy · #7 09-11-2005, 12:49 AM

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Ok. A check/raise is definitley a different way to play this hand, but if we could, can we focus on how I played it, and if I can get away from it or not.

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OK,

You raise PF and then make a smallish bet on a draw heavy board into two opponents who cold called before the flop and have previously been playing tight. The first one calls This could mean nice draw (two over plus diamond) or very possibly a made hand that has you almost dead which would almost certainly not raise. I think this is either nut flush or AxAd. It would help to know his stack size here but a hand like 88,99 seems unlikely as those should raise if they play.

The player in the last position now raises. I think a fair amount of strength has been shown in front of him so I think a non made hand is unlikely unless it is specifically AdKx I'm thinking JJ or a set/strange small flush (again knowing the stack sizes would help).

Honestly this is a great spot to race in this huge pot and pick up a big stack around bubble time but I think you are crushed here too often, and you are almost never far ahead when you are. I likely lay this down.

TheTimeIsUp · #8 09-11-2005, 12:50 AM

I can't edit it.

They both had about 20k.

Apathy · #9 09-11-2005, 12:53 AM

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I can't edit it.

They both had about 20k.

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Then my comments stand, I think a laydown is prudent (even if MLG disagrees [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]). I think it's close though.

Exitonly · #10 09-11-2005, 01:07 AM

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You have too much hand to fold here.

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I don't easily give credit for a made flush here.. i'd think i'm most likely vs two over's and a diamond.. or an overzealous 88/99.. though imagine it could be JJ too.

just did a little bit of pokerstove and i got you ahead of his range there... so i think i like it