Another 200/400 bellagio hand vs terri

[bicyclekick]

full table 200/400. I'm up and nothing significant has happened. She's read the thread where I 3 bet her on the turn with that KJ and we've discussed the hand a couple times.

Fish limps in the CO. He's the loose passive semi-older rich businessman in for a 'fun time'.

I complete JTd in the sb, terri in the bb checks.

Flop T53 with a diamond. I bet, terri calls, fish folds.

Turn J non diamond. I bet, terri raises, I insta 3 bet, she quickly 4 bets...I?

[Jeffage]

Ugh, unless I'm missing something, you call and then you check-call the river. I'm curious if you considered checkraising the turn or did you go the bet-3-bet route just bc she's aggro.

Jeff

[mslucky]

This was my hand. It is not totally out of the question for me to raise with 55 or 33 here. 99.5% of the time I check my big blind here. The limper was a very bad player that never let go of anything, which makes the raise 100%, I will not raise.

This puts me on a set or two pair....does anyone really want to find out if you have top two. A re-raise will only make me fold the non-winning hand and call with the best.
Call down seems to be the only choice.

Regards,
Terri

[DcifrThs]

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This was my hand. It is not totally out of the question for me to raise with 55 or 33 here. 99.5% of the time I check my big blind here. The limper was a very bad player that never let go of anything, which makes the raise 100%, I will not raise.

This puts me on a set or two pair....does anyone really want to find out if you have top two. A re-raise will only make me fold the non-winning hand and call with the best.
Call down seems to be the only choice.

Regards,
Terri

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the discussions you had w/ bk about his previous holdings re: agression on turn dont change anything in the dynamics here?

ive said a call down vs. raise is close and id lean towards 5, but that was based on an apparantly faulty assumption.

thoughts?

Barron

[mslucky]

I play day by day. Mood of the table and opponents. I spoke to BK and we were friendly. I am not saying I would not misrepesent my hand, however, very unlikely now. I did believe I had the best hand.

I told him my thoughts on the hand the previous day. Almost all the time I would have him there. I knew he knew I knew he had a hand but, I knew it wasn't that strong and I tried to get him off the hand. I folded to the 3 bet that day (KJ hand).

Terri

I'm calling down, 53, 33 and 55 are most likly hands for her . theres no way I'm folding top 2 here.

[Paluka]

I would 5 bet this. Two raggedy pair way more likely than a set.

[spydog]

I think she's raising 55/JJ/TT preflop 3-way with fish. 33 I'm not so sure. Based on your KJ hand she knows that you will 3-bet somewhat lightly on the turn, which means she might be capping a little lighter than a normal good player. I think calling down is the play, but calling the turn and checkraising the river might be optimal if you can fold to a river 3-bet. Can you? I couldn't. Therefore, I'm calling down and expecting to win this a good majority of the time.

[DcifrThs]

she slowplayed a small pair? with position? (33 onlyreal set out htere)

you ahve top two and its disguised. reraise.

Barron

[J.A.Sucker]

Why is top two disguised? JT is a hand people play the way he did. You think you're playing with kids here?

I really don't understand why people want to give top players all of this action.