Should I give up online poker?

[daveymck]

As you know I am one of your biggest fans, to a point if it makes you stop posting then yes please stop playing.

However I am not a total [censored], so far in the main you have always posted in the internet forum, probably the least informed full of idiots forum on here (well apart from the WPT forum) apologies to some you know who you are. So why not try taking part regulary in the relevant subforum for whatever game and limits you are playing online, post hands join in the discussions and use the great resource 2+2 is.

Online and live is different, live can be a looser fishier game and it maybe you are playing too many hands online in a slightly tighter game than you should be etc etc etc.

Instead of moaning try studying and learning and see if in 6 months you are winning online player.

Also post your thoughts in psycology cos if in your mind you think it is against you before you play a hand, its not the best frame of mind to be starting playing let alone to accept and play well when the suckouts come than many of us ignore and move on. Some there may have some hints and tips to make you positive and stop the tilting.

Iam sure we can turn you to the dark side of enjoying online poker if you are prepared to put the effort in as well.

[jman220]

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Of course this is where all of the online geniuses say, "well you don't win because you don't use Poker Tracker," which of course is nonesense, but it makes them feel superior.]

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You're dumb.

You're right, if I was playing only 1 or 2 tables, i wouldn't need poker tracker, none of us would, (edit: to keep track of opponents) we could use our own "observation skills." But I'd like to see how you can keep track of the players at four or more tables without some kind of software to help you. And that's your other problem, people who are "killing" the online games, are making a ton because they're multi-tabling.

Finally, you're statement that players online are "the worst anywhere," implying they are worse than live players just shows that you don't know what a bad player is. The players who play live are worse than online at similar limits, there really is no room for argument about this. Probably, you're just a bad player, and you don't understand a lot of the plays you see online.

[jman220]

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Learn Omaha/8 and switch to PLO8 as fast as you can. You play a half-decent game and you will win consistently.

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Shh! The first rule of PLO8 is...

[SomethingClever]

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playing holdem might as well be a crap shoot when noone respects your raise and you find yourself sitting with AA against 5 other people that called.

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Okay, not trying to be snotty here, but you've been playing for 20+ years and you still say stuff like this.

To be sure, there are different winning styles, and it takes a different style to beat a game where 5 people coldcall when you raise with aces.

But your statement belies an overall lack of understanding about the fundamental nature of poker. This is something I've seen a lot in longtime B&M players.

Read Small Stakes Hold 'Em, fer chrissakes.

[Mendacious]

Your right, I should have PM'd him!

[citanul]

yes.

1) you don't like it
2) you don't make money at it

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[NoChance]

If you multi-table, that is one of the differences from playing live. Drop a table or two? Ignore if this assumption is incorrect.

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Think about all the winning players that depend on you. It wouldn't be fair to them if you quit. Stop being so selfish.

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[jurassicdig]

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I was reading your post and nodding my head about alot of things you said. Does it seem like online poker is rigged sometimes? It does to me sometimes too. Of course that defies what all the experts and experienced posters here say and given their success who am I to argue?

I am not one of the young pups here who find making unkind remarks and insults to anyone's benefit and I feel badly when someone asks for sincere input from his comrades and just gets smart ass remarks.

Like you, I've been playing poker for many years(since the late 80s) then I started playing on the internet back around 8yrs ago when Casino Coco opened up (Planet Poker). Not only have I noticed that poker has changed over the years but internet poker has changed too. I think people watching final tables on TV has alot to do with it. There are so many dummies playing now which I know is supposed to be a good thing. In a live game it seems so much easier to get the chips than online. The reasons are easy to see... If you are not "technically" equipped with your PT, your PA, your PTA, you're flying blind most of the time and playing holdem might as well be a crap shoot when noone respects your raise and you find yourself sitting with AA against 5 other people that called. I've found that say on Party Poker it doesn't matter how much money is in the game, it means nothing to so many people. You might be moving up to play 10-20 and that's a big game. But it might be pennies to the other players. Sometimes I go watch the really high limit players. They play just as bad. Obviously they can afford it, good for them. Some 16 years ago, when I decided I really wanted to learn I ordered every Sklansky book I could from the Gamblers Book Store (and ok I admit it, I got Capeletti's book too but that's another story) and I still remember his "beware of AQ".... These days, any ace is in with any other card, it's raised, it's called, it's just not the same poker world any more. The odds are the odds are the odds, this I know. The problem for me with online holdem is the rate at which the odds are defied but it can be understood when realizing 1) the players see no buggars & 2) so many hands are being generated that we notice it more readily . Other disadvantages: 1) no audio-visual tells & 2) whether we are in fact playing the same person we see on screen as opposed to his wife, girlfriend, kid or cat for one or more hand which then messes with our thinking of his play.

Does this mean the game is not beatable? Of course not as observed from this forum. But for me it has meant changing my play and my games. Whereas I am very comfortable in a medium to high limit live holdem game, I struggle with any "limit" holdem game online so I play PL. I also play alot of omaha hi-lo. I've had to adjust my thinking too. I don't assume the raise means something specific, something I'd recognize in live play, it could mean something or nothing and I may not get a chance to get a good read on anyone so I must rely on the odds. My problems come into play when I play at something I am not comfortable with, so by trial and error I have found a comfort zone.

And maybe that's all it is with you too, finding the place in online poker where you fit in, where you feel comfortable playing whether it's a different limit, a different game, a different site.

Best wishes whatever you decide but don't let the 2 second bratty responses make you think you're a bad player if you've been a winning live game player.

And that folks is this slow & steady grinder woman's 2 cents!

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[eastwood]Bravo.[/eastwood]

Anyone dismayed over the "unbeatable" nature of online poker should save this post.

[thewildone]

no dont give it up.

If you give it up that means one less fish in the pond!