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AJo, Early Position Question
I have been thinking about this for a while, and am having trouble reaching a definite conclusion. You have AJo in first position in a tight game. Do you raise or call? I have seen many different charts and websites and such that suggest to call in a tight game and raise in a loose game. Why would this be the most profitable play? In a loose game, there is likely to be three or four people in the pot regardless of whether you raise or not, diminishing your chances of winning the pot. On the other hand, in a tight game, you will likely play the hand heads-up, where a hand like AJo does really well.
I do usually raise in AJo in both tight and loose games, but I just have to wonder why it is BETTER to raise with it in a loose game than in a tight game. Explanations? |
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Re: AJo, Early Position Question
I'll mostly fold this one in early position.
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Re: AJo, Early Position Question
Because if you raise in a loose game, you're more likely to get called by hands worse than your own. If you raise in a tight game, the calls will be hands that are more likely to have you dominated.
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Re: AJo, Early Position Question
Only hands that dont suck in early position are AA KK AK.. QQ is marginal.
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Re: AJo, Early Position Question
That on the other hand is a bit too tight for my taste, but as said AJo is in my book a no go from early position, most of the time.
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Re: AJo, Early Position Question
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Only hands that dont suck in early position are AA KK AK.. QQ is marginal. [/ QUOTE ] QQ is hardly marinal even UTG in just about every limit holdem game you could ever find. |
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Re: AJo, Early Position Question
Obviously AJo is not a monster. My question is that if it worth raising in a loose game from under the gun, why is it not worth raising in a tight game from under the gun. I put the variables in Pokerstove, and this is what I found. Against one semi-tight caller, you are about a 55-45 underdog with AJo (AA-TT, AKs-ATs,KQs-KJs, QJs, AKo-AJo, KQ). On the other hand, against five callers, one with the same semi-tight requirements, one with slightly looser requirements, and two random hands, you have the highest equity, but only by 3-4 percent. Also, against the whole field you are about a 75-25 underdog. Even though you have the highest equity in the field, you are still more likely to lose the hand with five people in than when you are against one tight player.
Against five people, and a pot equity of 25%, you do have a pot equity edge in a loose game (albiet a very small one). But lets assume that on the flop, everybody fold except for the tight player. Then your won't it be true that your pot equity would dip below 50%? These pot equity concepts have had me a little confused since I read SSHE, especially after the flop. Any explanation would be much appreciated. |
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Re: AJo, Early Position Question
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But lets assume that on the flop, everybody fold except for the tight player. [/ QUOTE ] That's a strange assumption to make. A tight player staying on the flop indicates that he did hit something, while loose players will often stay in the hand with poor and mediocre hands. It's more likely that the loose players will stay than the tight players. But anyway... [ QUOTE ] Even though you have the highest equity in the field, you are still more likely to lose the hand with five people in than when you are against one tight player. [/ QUOTE ] That is irrelevent. You want to win the most money, not the most pots. Take your example: Against one opponent, you're going to win 45% of the time, and against 5 opponents, you will win only 25% (This isn't exactly true for a variety of reasons, but just hear me out, I'm going to try to make a point), but that doesn't mean the first situation is better. Your equity in the first example would be 45% of the 4 bet pot, or 1.8 bets. In the second example, your equity would be 25% of a 12 bet pot, or 3 bets. As you can see, even though you'll win more often heads up in your example, you will win more money in the second senario. |
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Re: AJo, Early Position Question
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Only hands that dont suck in early position are AA KK AK.. QQ is marginal. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] AJ shouldnt ever be raised in a very loose game because in a very loose game you cannot place any value on a high pair hand, suited connectors will take most of the pots because the hands that will win will be closer to the nuts at a losoe table. On a tight table, its nrealy not even playable because if you raise, and are reraised u should fold and if you dont raise ur letting a8 and lower limp in to possibly 2 pair you. Aj is just a trouble hand. [/ QUOTE ] A little piece of me just died inside. |
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Re: AJo, Early Position Question
Yes this is becoming one of those great threads.
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