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08-19-2005, 10:19 AM
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Re: A River Play Question... Very Thin Three-Bet?
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[ QUOTE ] A river 3 bet has no fold equity [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure why you mention fold equity. If we're 3-betting, it's for value. This is rather odd though. If we 3-bet, we're pretty much hoping he has KQ, KJ, or T9s. I don't think these are likely enough, and the very last thing I'd want to do is put in 4 bets with this hand. So I think we're good for a call. [/ QUOTE ] I mention FE because 1 reason why the OP MIGHT consider 3 betting (I say might) is if he has some FE. I don;t see FE so therefore he must be 3 betting for value. I don't see the value in the 3 bet. Our choices then become call or, dare I say it, fold. OK... I going to say it, I would fold. Beat me up. This is anti-forum blasphemic, girlie, grow-some-balls, you're-gonna-get-the-crap bluffed outta you logic. But on a hand reading basis... OP seems to me to be lost, here. If he wants to call for metagame reasons then fine. 
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#12
08-19-2005, 10:38 AM
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Re: A River Play Question... Very Thin Three-Bet?
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OK... I going to say it, I would fold. [/ QUOTE ] You see Hero has 2 pair here right?
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#13
08-19-2005, 10:54 AM
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Re: A River Play Question... Very Thin Three-Bet?
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[ QUOTE ] OK... I going to say it, I would fold. [/ QUOTE ] You see Hero has 2 pair here right? [/ QUOTE ] I see that Villain has called down to the river so far. Why is he raising the river? Did he call the flop and turn with no pair or no OESD? What do you see as villain's likely holdings?
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#15
08-19-2005, 10:58 AM
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Re: A River Play Question... Very Thin Three-Bet?
I think you'll see QJ most often--yes, I know this beats us--but KJ and KQ enough to make this a very easy call.
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08-19-2005, 10:58 AM
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Re: A River Play Question... Very Thin Three-Bet?
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[ QUOTE ] My major problem here is that I realized that if I get capped there is such a tiny chance I'm winning here. This is an odd hand where, given the action, the strength indicated by a river raise, a river three-bet, and a river cap are all very different. [/ QUOTE ] I agree. A 3-bet may be best, but I just don't think I could fold to a cap. And if I couldn't fold to a cap, a 3-bet might not be best anymore. [/ QUOTE ] Yea, I'd think exactly the same as what Nick C said. Also, 3 bet is for value and please don't fold the river.
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#19
08-19-2005, 11:01 AM
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Re: A River Play Question... Very Thin Three-Bet?
I think a big factor that hasn't been mentioned is the rank of the two middle cards. Villian is essentially unkown. KT/K9 could very possibly be limping hands UTG for this unknown player.
I think you need to just call here. If the other cards on the board were lower than your second pair I think it would be closer to a value 3-bet.
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#20
08-19-2005, 11:05 AM
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Re: A River Play Question... Very Thin Three-Bet?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Did he call the flop and turn with no pair or no OESD? [/ QUOTE ] Maybe. [/ QUOTE ] What the hell good is that statement? [/ QUOTE ] It seems like you don't think it's at all possible. My answer of "maybe" is saying that it is. Maybe. It's plenty good if you'd think about it and stop being so narrow. I expect to see KQ, KJ, T9s, or a bluff often enough to call for 8:1.
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