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#51
11-04-2005, 04:42 PM
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Re: RESULTS
it depends. like i said, angelina and i play alot together.
he can make that turn donk w/o even a hand, nevermind a 6. plus i also raise the turn with goods and bluffs so it keeps it balanced...but for me to do that effectively i should bet the river as clark mentioned. Barron 
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#52
11-04-2005, 04:47 PM
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Re: RESULTS
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[ QUOTE ] "turn is a great card for me, 6s. angelina bets out, i raise, he hesitates for a sec and calls my bet." "i dont think he calls the river with the K6." he is definitely calling you down man. [/ QUOTE ] yea you're right. i thought that at the time he could have maybe folded a 7 with a better kicker, but ex post ante its clearly not happeneing. i should probably adjust my value betting range accordingly. Barron [/ QUOTE ] Yeah you keep saying that, but what hand does he possibly have that includes a lone 7 and a better kicker?
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#54
11-04-2005, 04:54 PM
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Re: RESULTS
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "turn is a great card for me, 6s. angelina bets out, i raise, he hesitates for a sec and calls my bet." "i dont think he calls the river with the K6." he is definitely calling you down man. [/ QUOTE ] yea you're right. i thought that at the time he could have maybe folded a 7 with a better kicker, but ex post ante its clearly not happeneing. i should probably adjust my value betting range accordingly. Barron [/ QUOTE ] Yeah you keep saying that, but what hand does he possibly have that includes a lone 7 and a better kicker? [/ QUOTE ] there are many such hands. semibluff donk bets on the turn that can include any # of straight draws, diamond or spade draws i.e. K7dd, K7ss T7ss T7o, lots of those types of hands. Barron
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#55
11-04-2005, 04:57 PM
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Re: RESULTS
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "turn is a great card for me, 6s. angelina bets out, i raise, he hesitates for a sec and calls my bet." "i dont think he calls the river with the K6." he is definitely calling you down man. [/ QUOTE ] yea you're right. i thought that at the time he could have maybe folded a 7 with a better kicker, but ex post ante its clearly not happeneing. i should probably adjust my value betting range accordingly. Barron [/ QUOTE ] Yeah you keep saying that, but what hand does he possibly have that includes a lone 7 and a better kicker? [/ QUOTE ] there are many such hands. semibluff donk bets on the turn that can include any # of straight draws, diamond or spade draws i.e. K7dd, K7ss T7ss T7o, lots of those types of hands. Barron [/ QUOTE ] Ok diamond draws I can see, but the 7 isn't going to have paired both of you very often at all. Are gutshots really calling your turn raise? You're talking about a very very rare occurence when he's got a better 7 than you.
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#56
11-04-2005, 05:15 PM
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Re: hand vs. Angelina
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[ QUOTE ] This is a clear value check. Angelina is not calling that turn bet with the intention of folding for one bet on the river and he doesn't bet that turn on a draw either. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree about a possible draw being bet. It might be a draw that has improved. I would bet to get a better 7 to fold. This hand didn't play like a 9 but maybe a weak ace that didn't want you to get away on the flop. I think Ace is less then 50% so I bet plus if my hand was good she doesn't get to see it. Mike [/ QUOTE ] Again I think it's an easy bet because she doesn't play a 9 like this. She will pay off with the 6 since multiple draws did not get there. Mike
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#57
11-04-2005, 05:30 PM
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Re: RESULTS
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You really need to bet. Giving free showdowns in spots like this is going to ensure that Angelina continues to take shots at you in these headsup situations. [/ QUOTE ] I guess I don't understand...isn't it more important whether our bet on the river is going to be a "value" bet and win 50% or more? After the turn gets raised and called isn't Angelina going to call down with any hand that can win a showdown? With the board reading A-9-2-6-7, it seems there are more pairs on the board (discounting X2's somewhat) that beat us than we beat. Do you think he will call with enough 33/44/55/Kx/Qx hands to make this a value bet or do you make this bet for metagame/shania reasons?
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#59
11-04-2005, 06:03 PM
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Re: RESULTS
1) Those thinking that she called the flop in order to take a shot on the turn are wrong. She might do it sometimes, but she called mostly as a drawing hand and as a possible currently winning hand. Most of the time, she will check fold the turn unimproved.
2) She will call the river with any pair because board is heavily drawy, 7 completes straight draws but there are still diamonds out there plus a possible pure bluff. 3) She would put more action on the turn on this drawy board if she had a draw or at least top pair, because on one hand she wants to put the last bet on the river with a draw because there is a fair chance both people are drawing, on the other hand, with any good hands, she wants to make people pay heavily for the privilege of drawing.
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#60
11-04-2005, 06:19 PM
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Re: RESULTS
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You're talking about a very very rare occurence when he's got a better 7 than you. [/ QUOTE ] This was my reaction as well when I read this. Don't forget that he both has to have a better 7, AND he has to fold it! This won't effect the decision unless it is already extremely close, which it doesn't seem to be. my 2 cents. eric
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