Sigfried and Roy Confused on the river

jayrutz2 · #1 03-28-2005, 08:12 PM

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Preflop: Jayrutz is SB with Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
villain calls, MP calls, Button calls, jayrutz raises, BB calls, villain calls, MP calls, Button calls.

Flop: (9.60 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
jayrutz bets, BB calls, villain calls, MP calls, Button calls.

Turn: (7.30 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
jayrutz checks, BB checks, villain checks, MP checks, Button checks.

River: (7.30 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
jayrutz bets, BB folds, villain raises, MP folds, Button folds, jayrutz calls.

Final Pot: 11.30 BB

I can't imagine that the 2 spades helps villain here, unless he has A2, but even there, turn check is really confusing with 5 players in...HELP!!!!

ESCaspian · #2 03-29-2005, 01:17 AM

Would you bet with A2 on the turn here with a flop bet and 4 callers b/c I would check too w/ 2 players still behind me. Is that wrong? Could be 22 with a loose flop call or A8-A9?

jayrutz2 · #3 03-29-2005, 01:59 PM

Well, I guess I might, given that it will help define the other 2 players hands, and I would fold to a C/R. But A/8 or A/9 for sure I bet turn...but maybe I am too aggro

But given that, would you lead out the river as I did? Would you call the raise to go to the showdown?

Pokey · #4 03-29-2005, 02:07 PM

I don't think 22 calls a pre-flop raiser with this flop; not without being a REALLY bad player.

Pokey · #5 03-29-2005, 02:09 PM

Maybe your river raiser had a good read on you: he noticed you checked the turn and bet the river blank card when everybody checked the turn. He could see this play as your attempt to steal a pot with nothing. A raise in this situation with any ace seems profitable to me.

jayrutz2 · #6 03-29-2005, 02:21 PM

good point...would you play this any different?

That guy · #7 03-29-2005, 03:03 PM

odd... I tried to come up with something that seems logical but I really can't make it fit.

here are some ideas...

1) he has a weak ace and wants to avoid a check-raise
2) he had a pair on the flop AND picked up a draw on the turn (he has a 5 or 2-hearts) and wants to see if he makes it.

I don't know why he would raise here on the end under either scenario... possibly using the old 'raise and fold to a 3-bet' if he has an ace?

maybe it is as simple as "he mis-clicked"

ESCaspian · #8 03-29-2005, 03:24 PM

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But given that, would you lead out the river as I did? Would you call the raise to go to the showdown?

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I would lead out on river and call the raise but I may be too loose on the river.

ESCaspian · #9 03-29-2005, 03:26 PM

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I don't think 22 calls a pre-flop raiser with this flop; not without being a REALLY bad player.

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If I decide to play 22 in early position and get raised, I see the flop for one more bet just as villian did.

Fat Nicky · #10 03-29-2005, 03:27 PM

I'd check call the 5-way river.