Bad sticky thread on folding KK preflop.

[PoBoy321]

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In order for [folding KK preflop] to even be a consideration, you neeed either incredibly deep stacks or a great read,

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No, you don't. The example I gave of Situation A was a clear fold. Calling would be a huge error (the question is whether it would cost 1/2 buy-in or more), but the stacks were only 1.5 buy-ins and the read was only that the player was not a maniac.

I'm disappointed that the new sticky repeated theblitz's fallacy. I think sticky threads should be held to a higher standard, particularly on 2+2.

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No, situation 1 is not a clear fold. If you had the tight image that you claimed to have, a thinking player likely would not push at you with AA because of the high likelihood that you would fold a very wide range of hands with which you would call against a reraise.

The fact of the matter is that folding KK pre-flop is a discussion which has been had far too often and has generated far too little discussion on this board to warrant any attention.

[pzhon]

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No, situation 1 is not a clear fold.

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Yes, it is, according to my experiments.

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If you had the tight image that you claimed to have, a thinking player likely would not push at you with AA because of the high likelihood that you would fold a very wide range of hands with which you would call against a reraise.

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This makes no sense. Please reread the action. A tight player does not reraise with a wide range of hands. Whether he would always push with AA over my reraise is irrelevant.