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($11) Bottom Two on the Turn
3rd hand of an $11. No reads.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Button (t720) Hero (t785) BB (t460) UTG (t800) UTG+1 (t800) UTG+2 (t895) MP1 (t800) MP2 (t735) MP3 (t880) CO (t1125) Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls t15, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero completes, BB checks. Flop: (t75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t50</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises to t100</font>, MP2 folds, Hero calls t100, BB calls t50. Turn: (t375) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="red">Hero...</font> Completing is fine here, I know that much. Bet the flop? Once I check, should I be shoving the flop when it gets back to me? If I just call, I've got 670 in my stack. A pot sized bet is more than half my stack, so if I'm betting, I'm shoving, from a very elementary sense, right? (I'm still on a very elementary level here) My gut says to push here. I'm interested in an answer, but I'm more interested in a why. I take the pot down, or get called by a J or a Q a whole lot more often then I run into another two pair or 66, right? edit: Titles are nice! |
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Re: ($11) Bottom Two on the Turn
I always lead the flop when I have bottom two and a big field of opponents.
When you check and see that action, I would jam on the flop. |
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Re: ($11) Bottom Two on the Turn
With you having 2 pair, it is less likely someone else has a set or another 2 pr. On the flop I would bet right out because #1 I want everyone to fold. #2 I dont want anyone with a Q or a str8 draw to hit it for free. I can see a check raise if you knew someone in LP would bet it. But I would check raise all in to maximize my fold equity. Your hand is strong but not that strong.
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Re: ($11) Bottom Two on the Turn
It was never a question of whether I misplayed it - just how badly I misplayed it [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
I think I wanted to look at bottom two as some sort of monster - lemme check and get all their monies!!!111one. Heh. More reading! Thanks. |
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Re: ($11) Bottom Two on the Turn
I lead this flop. I also push over the raise/re-raise.
Push the turn, bottom 2 pair is really corruptable. Sucks if you let some dude with QJ suck out on you. |
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Re: ($11) Bottom Two on the Turn
With this many players I actually don't terribly mind the check (because I rate the chances of it getting checked around as quite low)...however, betting out is certainly the safer play.
However, if I check this flop, it's with the absolute intention of shoving when it gets back around to me. Bottom 2 and you want all the money in on the flop -- whatever way you can make that happen is the best way to play it. |
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