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10-18-2005, 07:29 PM
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Re: What a Lot of Rakeback Affiliates Look Like To Me
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[ QUOTE ] we need to form a union. We would look after our interests and not profit from other player's rake. We should seriously consider doing this. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] 
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10-18-2005, 07:50 PM
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Re: What a Lot of Rakeback Affiliates Look Like To Me
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] we need to form a union. We would look after our interests and not profit from other player's rake. We should seriously consider doing this. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ]
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10-18-2005, 07:56 PM
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Re: What a Lot of Rakeback Affiliates Look Like To Me
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] we need to form a union. We would look after our interests and not profit from other player's rake. We should seriously consider doing this. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] It's not incentive compatible so it wouldn't work.
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10-18-2005, 07:59 PM
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Re: What a Lot of Rakeback Affiliates Look Like To Me
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] we need to form a union. We would look after our interests and not profit from other player's rake. We should seriously consider doing this. [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] OK, so what would a player's union do exactly? And how would it be funded?
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10-19-2005, 04:22 AM
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Re: What a Lot of Rakeback Affiliates Look Like To Me
Players' union is a loaded word. This indicates the group would need a public relations expert, so they don't get bad "spin," and a professional negotiator to be able to bargain with the site owners.
Liability for anything reaffirms that any group needs an attorney. Money to be handled cries out for a real accountant. Of course until the group reaches a critical mass, you don't really need full time people, but you do need customer service support and programmers to run any organization. There are other jobs to be done. While the per person cost isn't very high, you will need more people for every couple hundred members. Because poker players are not going to "pay" for the service if it comes out of their pockets, it has to be paid by someone else who makes a profit, and that is where the affiliates come in. Be honest, even if you knew you were saving $200 bucks a month, would you really pay $49.95 up front to be a member? So who do you think is going to be poised to pull off a player group? Who has the long term knowledge, the business sense, and the contacts? Surprisingly there are quite a few knowledgeable people who love poker, because the job isn't going to be an easy one!
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10-18-2005, 08:59 PM
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Re: What a Lot of Rakeback Affiliates Look Like To Me
First my disclaimer, I'm a small affiliate who worked at one site, where I also played, for the past year.
Most of rakeback affiliates being whores is not an intelligent, informed opinion and the idea of a union is exactly what they represent. Why call them names for taking a couple percent off the top when they get an individual player more than he could ever get on his own? There are plenty of instances of crooks or affiliates that aren't looking out for their players, but you would need to illustrate these examples specifically against the large group of affiliates that do good business. This is a paid forum and difficult sometimes to have a forthright discussion about rakeback, but any attempt to do so that I've seen is with the player's interests in mind. That is just good business. And you insult them for it? Players looking for answers that cannot be provided here won't have much difficulty getting them answered elsewhere, if they choose to look.
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