Does this move have + EV? or am I spewing?

[Felipe]

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You've got 5 squeeky clean outs,

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I'm counting less than 5. Am I missing something?

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3 aces
2 6s
5 outs needs 8:1 pot odds to call.

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How is the A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] "squeaky" clean? Do you have a different definition of clean?

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oops! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] 4outs.

[lefty rosen]

I do this move all the time and then I go on a 100BB downswing it's total donkey shiat..... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Fold the turn. The donk bet is a Ten, probably T9 or T8.

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I agree that the donkbet is a T, but you have current odds to draw out on her hand. Start with the assumption that you have 5 clean outs against MP1. If you call and get calls behind you, I would discount the A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] as an out, meaning that you have 10.5:1 to draw out.

You are getting 9.5:1 on your turn call. This is good enough for a call, yet may not be good enough for a raise. If you call and get at least a call behind you, you techincally got 10.5:1 on your call, making it an okay call for your 4-outer. I suppose the problem is that if the A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] does hit, then you will likely end up losing another bet on the river.

Anyway I think this is a good call on the turn.

[Borodog]

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Fold the turn. The donk bet is a Ten, probably T9 or T8.

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I agree that the donkbet is a T, but you have current odds to draw out on her hand. Start with the assumption that you have 5 clean outs against MP1. If you call and get calls behind you, I would discount the A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] as an out, meaning that you have 10.5:1 to draw out.

You are getting 9.5:1 on your turn call. This is good enough for a call, yet may not be good enough for a raise. If you call and get at least a call behind you, you techincally got 10.5:1 on your call, making it an okay call for your 4-outer. I suppose the problem is that if the A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] does hit, then you will likely end up losing another bet on the river.

Anyway I think this is a good call on the turn.

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Even though you are getting nice odds, I think the fact that there are 3 players left to act behind you makes this a fold on the turn. But I think it's close.

[AaronS]

I would fold the turn. You have at most 5 outs, but I would count only 4 (discount for flush and possible A7/AT). You are getting 9.5:1, but with 3 players to act behind you, including the button who cold-called the flop. Also the T could have completed somebody's straight, in which case you will be check-raised.

Given the way the hand played out, I think MP1's most likely holding is a T. If he is very tight, this play might be worth a shot, although he is getting 15.5:1 on his call (if I were him I would probably call A7, and T, 88+ etc.)

[alul]

From my experience MP1's move usually means something like 55 or 44. But I'd folded the turn anyway, you may be check raised by SB or BB.