-22- AK in lvl 3 vs 2 min-raises and a caller.

proell · #1 10-21-2005, 01:26 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) converter

Hero (t1975)
BB (t1810)
UTG (t955)
MP (t800)
CO (t1325)
Button (t1135)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises to t100, 1 fold, CO raises to t150, Button calls t150, Hero?...

Do I even get involved?
I was 10-tabling and I felt uncomfortable with the situation so I just folded.
I felt that the UTG min-raise is often enough a monster to make folding OK, but I'm not so sure. Thoughts?

zambonidrivr · #2 10-21-2005, 01:43 PM

i fold this. pushing is acceptable.
imo, calling is the worst option

Scuba Chuck · #3 10-21-2005, 01:55 PM

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i fold this. pushing is acceptable.
imo, calling is the worst option

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Wow, did you even consider the size of his stack before you made this statement?

Percussion · #4 10-21-2005, 01:59 PM

seriously i fold this NEVER

You really think that a standard raise and two callers has KK+?

you have 1.1k in your stack, there is 450$ in the pot, this is a PERFECT time to shove. Even if you get called by TT its +EV Because of the dead money in the pot. I can never see how folding this here can be good...

zambonidrivr · #5 10-21-2005, 02:00 PM

1975 is not exactly dominating. utg min raising with a marginal stack is concerning... then being re-raised is enough for me to drop AK. I would rather push any 2 than put myself at risk for my the majority of my stack in this situation.... expecially when blinds are still 50

mike28 · #6 10-21-2005, 02:50 PM

UTG minraise...

min-reraise...

button just calls?

I think I dump AK here as well. Talked with Newt about a hand very smiliar to this.

wuwei · #7 10-21-2005, 02:54 PM

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Do I even get involved?

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Negative, ghost rider. The pattern is full.

Scuba Chuck · #8 10-21-2005, 03:04 PM

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1975 is not exactly dominating. utg min raising with a marginal stack is concerning... then being re-raised is enough for me to drop AK. I would rather push any 2 than put myself at risk for my the majority of my stack in this situation.... expecially when blinds are still 50

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Here's how I think about this. UTG min-raises, he probably has a hand he doesn't know what to do with, like 77. CO raises to 150. This move accomplishes one thing more than another, it has somewhat of a blocking effect on the remaining players, meaning they now need to call 150, not 100 to play. Certainly, AA isn't playing this way. Button cold calls. I essentially see a bunch of above average, but not premium, hands in this pot.

I don't know how folding here is any good. I'm not worried about the button nor the CO. And of course, there's always some small level of concern from the PFR, but he may be worried about the players acting behind him. I think pushing here is the best option, and calling is ok. I'd be wary of a coordinated flop, but if it's K-rag-rag, you're good to move. But if it's AJ9, KJT, AQT, AND two tone, I'd be a little more cautious before committing the rest of my stack.

pooh74 · #9 10-21-2005, 03:11 PM

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i fold this. pushing is acceptable.
imo, calling is the worst option

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Wow, did you even consider the size of his stack before you made this statement?

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I think calling here is bad too...put our Hero one position to his right and calling is fine. I'd push this more often than folding it actually...

learn to stop seeing every minraise as a monster...they RARELY are. (see Scuba's post below)

zambonidrivr · #10 10-21-2005, 03:17 PM

utg min raise can mean a wide variety of things (agree with scuba). i dissagree that someone playing AA would simply call form MP, but thats just me. There is a lot of action in front there. Blinds are at 50, and you have built up a nice stack... while you have major FE and perhaps the best hand, I am not moving in here. Part of consistanly winning SNG's IMO is avoiding situations like this.