$55: Tell me how bad this push is

Taraz · #1 10-10-2005, 02:19 AM

The big stack wasn't particularly aggressive or anything. The blinds were going up next hand, but I still hate my play. This is bad, right?

***** Hand History for Game 2854705310 *****
200/400 Tourney Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 16476202) - Mon Oct 10 02:04:58 EDT 2005
Table Table 67289 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: bizcut (930)
Seat 2: Hero(2550)
Seat 3: sanchez1421 (4095)
Seat 5: PERSlAN (1425)
Seat 6: ih8dancox (1000)
ih8dancox posts small blind (100)
bizcut posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ac, Qc ]
Hero raises (2550) to 2550
Herois all-In.

runner4life7 · #2 10-10-2005, 02:26 AM

im ok with it actually. you could raise to like 500 i guess and call everyone other than the big stack but this puts more pressure on everyone and the big stack cant try to steal from you.

#3 10-10-2005, 02:27 AM

I give up, why do you hate this play?

mike28 · #4 10-10-2005, 02:33 AM

I'm guessing the bigstack called you and you busted.

Raising to t5-600 is waving a flag for the bigstack to resteal.

The weaktightie in me screams fold but this is too good of a chance to pick up a free bb.

ram on!

Annulus · #5 10-10-2005, 02:43 AM

this is not an instant or standard push for me. of course UTG is not ideal position, but you have lots of poker left. also, if the big stack is not aggressive, why not just raise 500ish? of course you would have to call a push by any of the short stacks. but the fact that even if you see a flop and miss you are still in very good shape.

#6 10-10-2005, 03:29 AM

If u play to win its a good play, if u just want to make money,u can fold.if u dont push , and im big stack i will push with any 2 cards.so u have 2 plays fold or push.I would push, because there is only 4 hand you can worry about
aa,kk ak qq. all other hands are coin flips, or you will be at least 3-2 favorite.
I would push

downtown · #7 10-10-2005, 03:54 AM

The push isn't terrible by any means. It's definitely +EV. Whether rasing a smaller amount (say t500-600) is more +EV or opens you up to a big stack reraise and is therefore -EV is a matter of your read. I might raise it to t500 here myself if I think the big stack will only reraise with a good hand. If I think the big stack is good or I have a read, I may push it. Or I may limp it to mix it up in a rare occasion. Hmm, limp AQs, I know, sounds bad.

Slim Pickens · #8 10-10-2005, 04:21 AM

I think pushing is fine. I want to shut out any resteals. It's a huge mistake to raise to 500 and fold to a reraise from a lesser hand, so don't put yourself in a position to make that huge mistake. Both folding and limping make me want to barf $EV back at the screen.

Taraz · #9 10-10-2005, 04:31 AM

After reading some responses and reviewing the hand, I don't think pushing was as terrible as I previously thought. If I know that the big stack isn't particularly aggressive however, wouldn't it be better to raise to 500 and fold to a push by the big stack?

I know that 2+2ers would push any 2, but this guy wasn't that good. He wasn't really using his big stack to accumulate more chips. So my new question is, which is the better play? Push or raise/fold to a push?

#10 10-10-2005, 04:47 AM

I misread the blinds i thought they were 200-400
now that i see they were 100-200 I would make it 600 to go, and fold to a raise.
with blinds 100-200 the bigstack can loose 1/2 his stack if u have a good hand. With u raising utg u could have a strong hand.
IMO push is not that bad, but raise and fold to big stack would be a much better play