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#21
07-04-2005, 01:14 PM
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Re: QJo 20-40
"weak players check flushes on the river when aggros like yourself have been betting all the way. This is how they get back at you."
believe me i know that but it was a risk i was willing to take. 
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#23
07-04-2005, 01:25 PM
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Re: QJo 20-40
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[ QUOTE ] So I think your river bet is fine. I hope the old man called with his JT/J9. [/ QUOTE ] I'd rather he fold those hands. [/ QUOTE ] what a useless post.
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#24
07-04-2005, 01:53 PM
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Re: QJo 20-40
well played.
Presumably you're betting for value on the river. I check way too many of these hands on the river, fearing a check-raise from a four or pocket clubs. But you could get KJ to fold on occasion.
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#25
07-04-2005, 05:05 PM
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Re: QJo 20-40
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So I think your river bet is fine. I hope the old man called with his JT/J9. [/ QUOTE ] I'd rather he fold those hands. [/ QUOTE ] what a useless post. [/ QUOTE ] what a useless post. hehe... -Barron
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#26
07-04-2005, 05:09 PM
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Re: QJo 20-40
good river bet...if one of them ever folds a jack you have to bet the river and save 1/3 of the pot for you and the case jack there to split. and those weak players are most likely to fold...
however, given they both called both streets and the UTG guy bet / cold called your 3bet you have to think AJ is a possibility here...QQ/KK if they are extremely weak and loose...but thats more likely seen at much lower limits than you're playing here. anyways, if i dont fold the flop im 3 betting and playing it exactly the same. -Barron
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#27
07-04-2005, 05:46 PM
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Re: result
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"Is this a value bet or a semi-bluff repesenting a flush hoping a J will fold." both. i bet the river, old man called, guy in between said gee i guess i cant call now and folded flashing a J. i flipped my hand up and old man showed 99. guy in between said he had JT. [/ QUOTE ] I was going to mention this earlier, but I thought the bet was best because if the third guy has a jack it's very difficult for him to overcall the river.
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#29
07-04-2005, 10:46 PM
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Re: QJo 20-40
you can be pretty sure that no one has a 4 - they raise the turn or do something - but you can't be 100%. You can be near 100% no one has a flush since they would almost have to bet this river - with 2 people calling along, it would be hard for a flush to think they could check raise. Let's add to this a flush should not fear a FH with this board.
Given this, a bet might net you 1/6 of the pot and is only likely to cost you if you are against AJ. The dude with the nines is terrifying - what the hell he could be thinking is quite unclear. That said, if you knew he was this terrifying, you need to give him a chance to be terrifying on the river as well, since it's just not that likely anyone can beat you. I think I would cold call on the flop and raise the turn here, but what you did was ok. You'd love to knock out a weaker J or QJ, since you can so easily be tied in the case you are ahead. No one has AK so letting someone call 2 cold is not a big deal on the flop, and you're more likely to knock somone out with a turn raise. Dan Z. Dan Z.
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#30
07-05-2005, 12:21 AM
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Re: QJo 20-40
Mike is pretty certain (I'd say with a 90 percent confidence level) that Mike is at least chopping that pot, so that bet Mike makes on the river has merit as Mike knows that any flush draw that makes that river is going to to be bet by his two opponents and not checked down, so Mike has a decent chance to take that whole pot down if Mike believes his opponents are capable of laying down a hand on the river to a pot this big as Mike has clearly reprsented a big hand himself.
Lawrence
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