would you value bet this river?

magicmntn · #1 09-14-2005, 05:58 PM

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

CO ($55.30)
Hero ($59.25)
SB ($49.65)
BB ($56.35)
UTG ($59.05)
UTG+1 ($30.30)
UTG+2 ($49)
MP1 ($49.50)
MP2 ($34.65)
MP3 ($33.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, 3 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3, SB (poster) calls $2.75, BB calls $2.50, UTG calls $2.50, MP2 folds.

Flop: ($12.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $5, UTG calls $5, Hero raises to $20, SB folds, BB calls $15, UTG folds.

Turn: ($57.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($57.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $57.50

My question is should I have checked behind on the river, or should I have bet

TheWorstPlayer · #2 09-14-2005, 06:02 PM

Bet the turn, check the river, and delete the word "Texas" from the beginning of the HH before converting.

ryanghall · #3 09-14-2005, 06:02 PM

I'd probably need more specifics but it looks to me like a clear bet.

Ryan

magicmntn · #4 09-14-2005, 06:29 PM

i guess I was looking for a why would you do that too

TheWorstPlayer · #5 09-14-2005, 06:31 PM

Because his most likely hand is a flush or straight draw and you want to charge him to draw to it. I bet at least 2/3 pot on turn. Against this guy, though, I probably bet full pot. In my experience, people who weak lead flop and then flat call raises also call large turn bets.

magicmntn · #6 09-14-2005, 06:33 PM

so I was totally off thinking someone might have caught a set with that flop in a 4 handed game?

TheWorstPlayer · #7 09-14-2005, 06:38 PM

if people weak lead the flop it is almost always a draw. if it is a set they will usually 3-bet or lead again on the flop. calling the flop raise and then checking the turn is almost always a draw on these very draw heavy boards.

magicmntn · #8 09-14-2005, 06:44 PM

That makes sense. I guess I just thought my raise should have priced out his draw. That was why I thought a set.

It turned out he had A 10 and MHIG. I thought about it after the hand and I thought the opposite of you. I thought check the turn and bet the river. Would that be that bad?

MINETZ · #9 09-14-2005, 06:48 PM

bet, hell eihter fold his missed clubs, or call with his tx.

amoeba · #10 09-14-2005, 06:48 PM

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That makes sense. I guess I just thought my raise should have priced out his draw. That was why I thought a set.

It turned out he had A 10 and MHIG. I thought about it after the hand and I thought the opposite of you. I thought check the turn and bet the river. Would that be that bad?

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checking the turn and betting the river pretty much achieves the same thing against something like AT but allows a free card if he is on draw and AT still has 5 outs against you.

if you think that its unlikely for him to have draw here and that he is more willing to call a river bet than a turn bet, then you might check behind but in general I like betting the turn.