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Old 08-05-2005, 02:20 AM
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Default i raise the monotone board with a 5...bet this river?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
4 handed, 1 fold, I raise.SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB bets, I raise, he calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, I bet, he calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero...
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Old 08-05-2005, 03:26 AM
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Default Re: i raise the monotone board with a 5...bet this river?

What would he call with that you can beat?
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:35 AM
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Default Re: i raise the monotone board with a 5...bet this river?

I couldn't think of much so I checked and he showed Q8c and MHIG.

If the guy had more donkish stats and would call with an A then I'd prob bet but this guy seemed pretty weak/normal.
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Old 08-05-2005, 11:59 AM
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Default Re: i raise the monotone board with a 5...bet this river?

I would bet the river. The only question is whether to fold to a raise imho.
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Old 08-05-2005, 12:11 PM
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Default Re: i raise the monotone board with a 5...bet this river?

My line would be to smooth call the flop and raise any turn, usually for a free showdown. Your line is fine too though.

I can find a value bet on this river if I'm willing to fold to a c/r (which I can vs. most opponents). Any A, 8 will call and I think a majority of spades would bet out in order to avoid a check-through.
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Old 08-05-2005, 12:13 PM
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Default Re: i raise the monotone board with a 5...bet this river?

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My line would be to smooth call the flop and raise any turn, usually for a free showdown.

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Not a good line on a monotone flop. What are you representing, AxK[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]?
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Old 08-05-2005, 01:28 PM
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Default Re: i raise the monotone board with a 5...bet this river?

Well he could charge an unpaired flush draw more that way, along with possibly folding out a pair of 8's, 77, or 66.
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Old 08-05-2005, 01:40 PM
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Default Re: i raise the monotone board with a 5...bet this river?

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Well he could charge an unpaired flush draw more that way, along with possibly folding out a pair of 8's, 77, or 66.

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You're not going to fold out anything with a line that makes no sense as anything but a bluff. Hero didn't PFR with something that could make a crappy flush, which is just about the only hand smoothcalling the flop and raising the turn works with.
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Old 08-05-2005, 01:46 PM
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Default Re: i raise the monotone board with a 5...bet this river?

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Well he could charge an unpaired flush draw more that way, along with possibly folding out a pair of 8's, 77, or 66.

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You're not going to fold out anything with a line that makes no sense as anything but a bluff. Hero didn't PFR with something that could make a crappy flush, which is just about the only hand smoothcalling the flop and raising the turn works with.

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Hero did raise preflop. This line plays just like a solid ace trying to charge a lower pair or flush draw the most when the streets get expensive and his equity is higher. Likewise, it gives him a chance for a free showdown UI when there's a decent chance we'd call a river bet anyway.
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Old 08-05-2005, 01:50 PM
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Default Re: i raise the monotone board with a 5...bet this river?

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Hero did raise preflop. This line plays just like a solid ace trying to charge a lower pair or flush draw the most when the streets get expensive and his equity is higher. Likewise, it gives him a chance for a free showdown UI when there's a decent chance we'd call a river bet anyway.

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This line is almost as bad with an ace as it is with 55.
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