$109 facing a bet into a dry side pot, I turn into an idiot

microbet · #1 12-28-2005, 12:40 AM

I'm not eager to post a hand that makes me look like such an idiot, but I've shown this hand to a couple people and I've been asked to post it.

PartyPoker, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1945)
Button (t1990)
Hero (t5550)
BB (t515)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Button calls t300, Hero calls t150, BB t215 (All-in), Button calls t215, Hero calls t215

Flop: (t1545) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, Button t1475 (All-in), Hero folds

Turn: (t3020) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t3020) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

I'm not going to hide the results, you are all big boys and girls.

BB has Kh, 6h
Button has Qd, 6d

I know I have a lot of chips. I know I have top pair. I just thought it was unfathomable that he could bet here without crushing me. I mean the average player HATES betting here EVER. Some opponents, myself included, will bet out of the check-down scenerio, BUT NOT WITHOUT A HAND!!!!

Was this a bad fold, a really bad fold, or the worst damn fold in the history of the earth?

I know that was one of the worst freakin bets I've ever seen, and thankfully that dumb bastard busted out 4th.

pergesu · #2 12-28-2005, 12:55 AM

Wow for real? I dump that ish with the quickness.

cha59 · #3 12-28-2005, 01:13 AM

I'll take partial credit/blame/whatever for asking microbet to post this.

Before he told me the results I said I'd probably call most of the time because of the pot odds and the possibility of either having the best hand or sucking out.

I'm not sure if I was right or not. I dont think folding or calling is horrible here. I certainly dont think he played it like an idiot. I hope to see lots of other opinions on this hand.

45suited · #4 12-28-2005, 01:21 AM

Microbet, just out of curiosity, did you consider pushing pre-flop? If not, was it because of some read on the button? Seems like he'd need a monster to call, so by pushing you'd get heads up with shortstack with an above average hand and 300 extra chips to sweeten the pot.

microbet · #5 12-28-2005, 01:52 AM

I'm not always the biggest bubble pwner in the world, but I had been pwning this one pretty mercilessly. I wouldn't have expected button to be surprised by a push from me, so I didn't think I should do it. In fact, I pushed over his completion on the previous hand.

If I had been really quiet and he just made the "I just want help bust shorty" play, I would have felt differently.

45suited · #6 12-28-2005, 01:53 AM

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I'm not always the biggest bubble pwner in the world, but I had been pwning this one pretty mercilessly. I wouldn't have expected button to be surprised by a push from me, so I didn't think I should do it. In fact, I pushed over his completion on the previous hand.

If I had been really quiet and he just made the "I just want help bust shorty" play, I would have felt differently.

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Thanks. That makes perfect sense to me and would have been my thinking at the time, given those circumstances.

As the hand played out, I would have folded as well.

The Yugoslavian · #7 12-28-2005, 01:54 AM

How is hero getting fourth?!

Call.

Yugoslav
Who also likes the idea of pushing preflop before BB is allin.....some may fold there and then ur FE is HUGE!

gumpzilla · #8 12-28-2005, 01:59 AM

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How is hero getting fourth?!

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I don't think that's the issue, so much as firing off another 1/3 of our stack and giving up excellent chip position going into ITM. We're probably unlikely enough to bust at all that giving up a big chunk of stack to another opponent gives up substantially more equity than what we gain by really guaranteeing that BB busts. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, though, I have a hard time seeing how a hand that beats me gets here given the action we've seen.

microbet · #9 12-28-2005, 02:11 AM

Yeah, hero's not getting fourth, and thankfully got 1st. Hero just thought there was almost no chance he wasn't owned. Hero was wrong. Hero thought villian would only limp there with a strong hand. Hero was wrong.

FE is huge, but after that play I wouldn't count on villian recognizing that fact, but pushing preflop might have been best.

I'm exaggerating in calling myself an idiot. I don't think it was terrible to put villian on a huge hand. I don't really know. I guess you should never go below 10% or so on the chances of villian just being completely brain dead.

skipperbob · #10 12-28-2005, 05:55 PM

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Yeah, hero's not getting fourth, and thankfully got 1st. Hero just thought there was almost no chance he wasn't owned. Hero was wrong. Hero thought villian would only limp there with a strong hand. Hero was wrong.

FE is huge, but after that play I wouldn't count on villian recognizing that fact, but pushing preflop might have been best.

I'm exaggerating in calling myself an idiot. I don't think it was terrible to put villian on a huge hand. I don't really know. I guess you should never go below 10% or so on the chances of villian just being completely brain dead.

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NO; you weren't exaggerating; You're an Idiot [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]