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12-14-2005, 09:34 PM
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Re: GIGABET.
Umm, I never called Gigabet an idiot. Degen is the idiot.
And if Antonius made anything close to a standard sized reraise, calling with 75off to see a flop was a poor play. The only way I could see it not being a poor play was if Antonius made the minimum reraise, and even then it's iffy. 
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#2
12-14-2005, 10:09 PM
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Re: GIGABET.
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Umm, I never called Gigabet an idiot. Degen is the idiot. And if Antonius made anything close to a standard sized reraise, calling with 75off to see a flop was a poor play. The only way I could see it not being a poor play was if Antonius made the minimum reraise, and even then it's iffy. [/ QUOTE ] yes,please teach gigabet how to play poker :| yes, i realize good players make poor plays too, that doesn't not aply to simple stuff like calling a reraise with X hand.
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#3
12-14-2005, 11:37 PM
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Re: GIGABET.
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And if Antonius made anything close to a standard sized reraise, calling with 75off to see a flop was a poor play. [/ QUOTE ] There is no way you can say that, it's totally false. When you're a LAG you cannot just roll over every time somebody plays back at you. At least, not in anything more advanced than $33 Party SnG's.
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#4
12-14-2005, 11:49 PM
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Re: GIGABET.
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] And if Antonius made anything close to a standard sized reraise, calling with 75off to see a flop was a poor play. [/ QUOTE ] There is no way you can say that, it's totally false. When you're a LAG you cannot just roll over every time somebody plays back at you. At least, not in anything more advanced than $33 Party SnG's. [/ QUOTE ] I can't believe everybody's knocking AcesHigh as some sort of idiot for pointing out that calling a reraise with 57o is a bad play. It just swells the pot and it's almost a certainty that the only way you're winning the pot is by bluffing, which will now be VERY expensive and also very risky because your reraising opponent would have to not get a piece of the flop. In other words, that's a lot of chips to risk later on in the hand on the off chance your opponent has nothing AND misses the flop when you could just fold your 57. LAGs can't profitably be run over. And they also can't profitably call every time they're reraised. I would say 57o is on the "fold" end of that spectrum.
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#5
12-15-2005, 12:00 AM
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Re: GIGABET.
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I can't believe everybody's knocking AcesHigh as some sort of idiot for pointing out that calling a reraise with 57o is a bad play. [/ QUOTE ] I didn't call him an idiot, just expressed my opinion that his statement was wrong. Without knowing the table dynamics, reads, possible tells, etc. his statement that the call was bad is just plain false. [ QUOTE ] LAGs can't profitably be run over. And they also can't profitably call every time they're reraised. I would say 57o is on the "fold" end of that spectrum. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed that normally it's a fold, but maybe this guy had played back at him once or twice and he let the hands go? The statement "if Antonius made anything close to a standard sized reraise, calling with 75off to see a flop was a poor play" is false without knowing the entire situation.
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#6
12-15-2005, 12:04 AM
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Re: GIGABET.
they're playing with really deep stacks. Calling a reraise with it isn't bad at all. Even if all it could do is please shania
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#7
12-15-2005, 12:38 AM
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Re: GIGABET.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And if Antonius made anything close to a standard sized reraise, calling with 75off to see a flop was a poor play. [/ QUOTE ] There is no way you can say that, it's totally false. When you're a LAG you cannot just roll over every time somebody plays back at you. At least, not in anything more advanced than $33 Party SnG's. [/ QUOTE ] I can't believe everybody's knocking AcesHigh as some sort of idiot for pointing out that calling a reraise with 57o is a bad play. It just swells the pot and it's almost a certainty that the only way you're winning the pot is by bluffing, which will now be VERY expensive and also very risky because your reraising opponent would have to not get a piece of the flop. In other words, that's a lot of chips to risk later on in the hand on the off chance your opponent has nothing AND misses the flop when you could just fold your 57. LAGs can't profitably be run over. And they also can't profitably call every time they're reraised. I would say 57o is on the "fold" end of that spectrum. [/ QUOTE ] they are (were) #1 and #2 in chips
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#8
12-18-2005, 10:53 PM
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Re: GIGABET.
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Umm, I never called Gigabet an idiot. Degen is the idiot. And if Antonius made anything close to a standard sized reraise, calling with 75off to see a flop was a poor play. The only way I could see it not being a poor play was if Antonius made the minimum reraise, and even then it's iffy. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed.
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#9
12-18-2005, 11:15 PM
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Re: GIGABET.
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[ QUOTE ] Umm, I never called Gigabet an idiot. Degen is the idiot. And if Antonius made anything close to a standard sized reraise, calling with 75off to see a flop was a poor play. The only way I could see it not being a poor play was if Antonius made the minimum reraise, and even then it's iffy. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. [/ QUOTE ] wait a second, you guys are folding to a minraise preflop? I think that's poor for metagame reasons (especially with rising blinds and stuck playing against the same people this late)
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