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Old 12-06-2005, 03:18 PM
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Default Re: AK hand midway 22R

After using my time bank and thinking, I probably lay this down with no reads and start to throw things throughout my apartment when and A or K flops [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] I can certainly see the argument for pushing here though.
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Old 12-06-2005, 03:22 PM
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Default Re: AK hand midway 22R

I would fold.

A likely scenario is for one player to have a pocket pair and
another player to have Ax with x being > than 9. I'm not
sure what the math says but with two Aces out there you're
in worse shape than the so called flip. You're best case
scenario is for both players to have medium pocket pairs if they call or for one to have AQ. The worst case scenario
is when you're dominated. It't close but I fold.

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Old 12-06-2005, 03:23 PM
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Default Re: AK hand midway 22R

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but in the heat of it I'd probably push.


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no question - in a real tournament i push this within 5 seconds and then curse my terrible luck when i wind up 3 way all-in AK v AK v JJ. probably something i should work on.
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Old 12-06-2005, 03:35 PM
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Default Re: AK hand midway 22R

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After using my time bank and thinking, I probably lay this down with no reads and start to throw things throughout my apartment when and A or K flops [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] I can certainly see the argument for pushing here though.

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And feel much better when: the idiot with JTo makes his str8 [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img], or one of the villians flips over aces.
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Old 12-06-2005, 03:45 PM
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You have a drawing hand

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Old 12-06-2005, 03:54 PM
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Default Re: AK hand midway 22R

Hey map, you got a hidden cam in my house...
I took alot of time and finally folded. Mp1 pushes all in, MP3 calls.

MP1 flips QQ, MP3 flips AQo

Final board 6c As 6s 7s 3c

Crap....O.K. What now?.... Yell. Throw. Go Card Dead. Invest another hour or so and lose with AK to KQ on a runner runner flush. Pretty Routine.
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Old 12-06-2005, 04:07 PM
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Default Re: AK hand midway 22R

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but do you think either player calls with AQ? not that i hate it if they fold.

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I definatly am very happy with a fold. In fact, I'd like it better. There's a ton of money in the pot when the action comes to hero, I'm perfectly happy taking it down PF. That would also allow it to get heads up, and hopefully with the smaller stack so I'm not dead if I lose.
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Old 12-06-2005, 04:28 PM
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Default Re: AK hand midway 22R

lemme be more specific: you push, shorty folds and you know the bigger stack has AQ. you'd like to get called, but you're not crying if he folds instead.
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Old 12-06-2005, 04:32 PM
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Default Re: AK hand midway 22R

If you KNOW they are playing these hands, the money already in the pot makes it an easy push:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1389281
pokenum -h ac kc - qd qs - ah qc
Holdem Hi: 1370754 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Kc 569266 41.53 782673 57.10 18815 1.37 0.422
Qs Qd 728344 53.13 627348 45.77 15062 1.10 0.536
Qc Ah 44209 3.23 1297610 94.66 28935 2.11 0.042

Turn that QQ into KK or AQ into AA, and things (equally obviously) change just a little tiny bit.
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Old 12-06-2005, 05:01 PM
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I REALLY hate to say it, but I think I fold. Main reason - no reads. You are late enough in the event to have the possibility of a few decent players at your new table. Pay attention to the push/call that's coming and make notes for next time. Of course, EXPECT an A or K or both on the flop since you folded. . .
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