A lot of calling with JJ

[shant]

UTG+1 is 14/6/1.61 but this is a limited 50 or so hands.
MP2 is 55/8/0.31 over a similar limited sample because I don't mine this level.

I've only been at the table a couple orbits and haven't done much.

Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (8 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (10.66 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.83 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

River: (18.83 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls

Let me have it.

I think I would cap flop or perhaps 3-bet turn. UTG+1 could have AK with Ah. I'm not ready to give anyone credit for flopping a flush or hitting a set of aces on the turn until I get raised.

[daryn]

i don't like just calling on the flop, OR just calling on the turn. your equity is too high vs a flush draw esp. 3 handed so unless the guy flopped the flush you want as much going in as possible. sometimes i wait til the turn with a hand like AJ here, for obvious reasons.

to me the turn is an obvious 3 bet.. by the way, why no preflop cap?

i would feel sick not putting in more action on this hand

[Alex/Mugaaz]

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i don't like just calling on the flop, OR just calling on the turn. your equity is too high vs a flush draw esp. 3 handed so unless the guy flopped the flush you want as much going in as possible. sometimes i wait til the turn with a hand like AJ here, for obvious reasons.

to me the turn is an obvious 3 bet.. by the way, why no preflop cap?

i would feel sick not putting in more action on this hand

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UTG+1 check 3bet this flop, look at his stats. I think I like this hand just fine.

[shant]

I think I really out-thought myself preflop. Even against a 6 and an 8 PFR I should cap preflop.

[daryn]

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I think I really out-thought myself preflop. Even against a 6 and an 8 PFR I should cap preflop.

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i didn't even think about those stats, since you said you had a very limited # of hands on them..

ok i lied, it's because i never look at the stats, but looking back i don't think you can draw a conclusion that makes you call instead of raise preflop

[jason_t]

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I think I really out-thought myself preflop. Even against a 6 and an 8 PFR I should cap preflop.

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Against a pfr of 6 and a pfr of 8 after thousands and thousands of hands this becomes close to a fold. Given that you have such limited data, you should be jamming the [censored] out of this because the default assumption is that at 15/30 players are more aggressive.

[dynamite]

Why didn't you 3-bet the turn?

[Redeye]

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draw esp. 3 handed so unless the guy flopped the flush you want as much going in as possible.

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Wouldn't it be the case that even if he knew UTG+1 had AhKh and the other player had a very tight 3-betting range (TT+, AK) he should still be capping the flop as he would probably have over 33% equity in this pot with top set? Add to that the fact that there is no way UTG+1 always has a flush here, obviously, and that this should be an easy flop cap?

[daryn]

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draw esp. 3 handed so unless the guy flopped the flush you want as much going in as possible.

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Wouldn't it be the case that even if he knew UTG+1 had AhKh and the other player had a very tight 3-betting range (TT+, AK) he should still be capping the flop as he would probably have over 33% equity in this pot with top set? Add to that the fact that there is no way UTG+1 always has a flush here, obviously, and that this should be an easy flop cap?

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could be, depending on his equity, which depends on the other guy's 3-betting range like you said. all i was saying is if the guy doesn't have flush, you want as much $$ going in as possible. if he has a flush, that may not be true.