JOINT RESOLUTION ON IRAQ - October 11, 2002

[lehighguy]

Do you think MoveOn is really a good thing for the Dems

[Triumph36]

What? Do you know how irrational that sounds? If Democrats didn't sign it, they were finished politically. You can't vote against a war that's easily winnable, like this one was. Not to mention that any equivocating or debate would've looked like 'stalling' and 'letting the terrorists win'.

Plenty of politicians sign plenty of things they don't agree with. Principled stands and black-and-white issues are for those who fail to understand political manuvering.

BOTH parties look incredibly foolish with this document.

[lehighguy]

I disagree. Political manuevering is what is destorying this country. More people should stand up for what they believe in.

[Triumph36]

That sounds nice, but is completely untenable. Democracies have always existed with political manuevering and quid pro quo.

Apparently George Bush was unwilling to stand up for what he truly believed in, for he is willing to spread liberty wherever it needs to be spread. So let's invade Liberia, Sudan, Rwanda, and any repressive regime or dictatorship.

[lehighguy]

I don't think standing up for what you believe in is untenable at all. People are just afraid to do it.

[Triumph36]

Just ask John McCain about how the Straight Talk for President campaign worked out.

If they had found the WMDs which everyone said were there, do you understand that every television ad for the Republicans would feature a black and white shot with red letters about how the Democrat candidate voted to keep terrorism alive in the Middle East?

Voting against the war is like calling an all-in with a small pair - you're even money or a huge underdog.

[lehighguy]

So what your saying is Dems actually believed that there were WMD/terrorist links at the time of signing that document (or at least believed it enough they were not willing to gambool).

[tolbiny]

Deserves got nothing to do with it.

[tolbiny]

What do you think that Move on will do differently?

[ptmusic]

[ QUOTE ]
<Finally, it still amuses me that so many people assume there's an actual difference between most of the republican and democratic parties. They are both globalist, and statist. They're just selling the same thing with a different paintjob. >

I'll pretend for now that I used to agree with this statement until MoveOn took over the Dem party.

And make no mistake about it, its their party now.

-Matt

[/ QUOTE ]

Explain please.

-ptmusic