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07-17-2005, 03:07 AM
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Wreckless or justfied move?
Its late in the Party Poker 5,000 guaranteed freeroll tourney and I am already well into the money. There are currently 12 players left and I am sitting in middle to later chip position with 170,000 or so and $60 guaranteed with the money steadily going up after 10th place. Blinds are 15 and 30 thousand and I am in the small blind. Side Note: I have already set my sights on the top 3 places and told myself that I am going to play to win the whole thing. There are 6 at my table and everyone seems to be playing to make sure they finish top 10. It is folded around to me (small blind) and I have K8o. The table has been very tight obviously and I don't know a whole lot about the player in the Big Blind who has me covered by 50,000 or so. I figure that I probably have the best hand and that even if he does have a slightly better hand (K10,Ace rag, etc) he will most likely fold. The blinds are clearly big enough to be worth stealing and my table image has been pretty tight (I've only gone all in with very strong hands). I push all in and he mulls it over for 15 seconds or so and calls. I'll post results later after a few responses. What do you think- honest advice? I thought about folding for quite awhile but concluded that I probably had the best hand and that i needed to boost my stack. Wreckless or justified? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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#3
07-18-2005, 02:24 PM
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Re: Wreckless or justfied move?
As I said before he thought it over for 15 seconds and called with A9s. Neither of us hit any of our cards and he knocked me out. Thinking back on it I knew I was risking everything with only an above average hand but I don't know if I could have forgiven myself for folding when the range of hands he could of called with was so small. Any more responses would be greatly appreciated.
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07-18-2005, 03:07 PM
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Re: Wreckless or justfied move?
So, folded around to you in the SB, you have an effective M of around 2, you push.
To me in the BB, you would do that with any 2, I call with almost any 2, 9 or higher. Tight image or no. The only thing that would give me pause would be if you had folded your SB before in that situation, then I might give you credit for a reasonable hand, and fold a hand such as you described "(K10,Ace rag, etc)" A better move would be a stop n' go, with a slight delay before you push any non-A flop. (to make it look like you hadn't already decided to push any non-A flop) At least, you've maximized your FE. Assuming A9 lets you see a flop... I'd probably fold, wait 2 hands and then push any 2, a) you will have reinforced your "tight" table image recently enough that they might remember b) you won't be challenging the BB of a stack that knocks you out. FWIW Regards Gar
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07-18-2005, 08:14 PM
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Re: Wreckless or justfied move?
[ QUOTE ]
So, folded around to you in the SB, you have an effective M of around 2, you push. To me in the BB, you would do that with any 2, I call with almost any 2, 9 or higher. Tight image or no. The only thing that would give me pause would be if you had folded your SB before in that situation, then I might give you credit for a reasonable hand, and fold a hand such as you described "(K10,Ace rag, etc)" A better move would be a stop n' go, with a slight delay before you push any non-A flop. (to make it look like you hadn't already decided to push any non-A flop) At least, you've maximized your FE. Assuming A9 lets you see a flop... I'd probably fold, wait 2 hands and then push any 2, a) you will have reinforced your "tight" table image recently enough that they might remember b) you won't be challenging the BB of a stack that knocks you out. FWIW Regards Gar [/ QUOTE ] The logic escapes me. You would push with any 2. Since you would push with any 2, the BB would have a looser calling range. Therefore, you should fold your king. Huh? As for waiting until you are in the CO to push -- I find it illogical to assume that a push from the CO with a mediocre hand would be more successful than a push from the SB with a mediocre hand.
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#8
07-19-2005, 04:01 PM
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Re: Wreckless or justfied move?
Please don't take anything I say as gospel. I'll be the 1st to admit I'm nowhere near world class at poker.
I think the BB will be more inclined to "defend" his BB, and a significant percent of the time, his defense will knock me out. If I fold now, my FE for future hands will increase, based on their perception of my 'tightness' level If I wait until the BB is out of the blinds, I will reduce his propensity to "defend" to close to, if not, zero. I think I'll be able to push and successfully steal the blinds twice in the next orbit, with nothing, if I have to. I know that the BB calling range is large now, but against the "any 2, 9 or higher" range, K8o is only 60-40 ish, or worse. Call me Alice, but I'll take my chances later. Remembering always that this is Gar, the Pike talking, who may not know his anus from a cloaca, but who believes in playing the player... Always willing to learn, though, so if you have any insights as to why I'm wrong... Regards Gar
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#9
07-19-2005, 04:11 PM
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Re: Wreckless or justfied move?
Sorry I have to say it's a fold, and I'll tell you why because I've been in the same situation, and everyone with an ace/8 or above calls to foil your steal attempt, especially if they have more chips. I was in a smilar situation with king/queen suited. And the big blind calls me with ace/9 offsuit.....no one pairs and I'm out. Bottom line.....I love the reverse when i have a pocket pair or a great ace and the poor schmuck thinks it's another blatant steal attempt and I take all his chips. LONG STORY SHORT...after all the hard work to get there, wait for a better spot. There will be better spots than king 8 offsuit to do the same.
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#10
07-18-2005, 03:49 PM
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Re: Wreckless or justfied move?
Acccording to the votes, 42% would say fold.
This is hard for me to believe. Hero has just over 5BB, and K8o is an above average hand. He needs chips, this is no time to "wait for a better spot". IMO, this is the better spot. Anyway, for those 42% that say fold, please explain your reasoning...maybe I am missing something. Regards, Pulp Edit: just saw gars response.
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