I just lost $400 on this hand - and I deserved to lose! - Page 2

RiverFenix · #11 07-10-2005, 04:50 PM

If the buyin is only 40xBB then pretty much any situation where youre betting the river is incorrect if youve bet PF and the flop (and turn too). Get all your money in on that turn since it was a rag.

TheWorstPlayer · #12 07-10-2005, 05:00 PM

Honestly, in live play, I'm pushing here. It's a pot-sized raise which provides wrong odds to a flush draw, you will often get loose calls from a weaker ace, and the play of leading into a preflop raiser with a set is pretty rare. And stacks are too short for any flop raise or turn call which is not pot committing.

theben · #13 07-10-2005, 05:19 PM

if you are strongly confident of your reads, put your money in and hope you don;t get called because if you are called, somebody will show you a set, aces up, or A:h:X:h:

if you re-pot, that commits you to the hand so just simply push

otherwise, you can just call the flop and see what develops on the turn.

but if you strongly read one player for a single paired weak ace and another man on a draw, you should strongly consider ending the hand on the flop

theredpill9 · #14 07-10-2005, 07:47 PM

You put all your money in with TPTK. You lost. That's about what I'd expect. You overplayed a pair.

I can't believe all the advice in here. Guess what. No matter what you bet on the turn or flop, you still have another guy who called the flop bet so you won't be able to fold a draw. Call the flop bet and hope he doesn't hit his draw. Bet turn if no heart hits and bet the river.

theredpill9 · #15 07-10-2005, 07:49 PM

BTW, I didn't know they had NL at Trump.

GrunchCan · #16 07-10-2005, 08:02 PM

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Guess what. No matter what you bet on the turn or flop, you still have another guy who called the flop bet so you won't be able to fold a draw. Call the flop bet and hope he doesn't hit his draw. Bet turn if no heart hits and bet the river.

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Admittidly, I'm a NL rookie. Given that, I just can't agree with this advice. I'd like to hear your reasoning behind it, please.

DoomSlice · #17 07-10-2005, 08:04 PM

Please don't listen to him. You sure as hell aren't going to want to give 2 people chances to crack your semi-weak hand by letting them see turn cards. Mandatory raise... or fold.

theredpill9 · #18 07-10-2005, 08:25 PM

Hit top pair, move all-in on the flop. I like it. Nice. How many times do you have to do that to lose your bankroll ? I guess we will find out.

DoomSlice · #19 07-10-2005, 08:39 PM

1. It's live and loose.
2. It's live and loose.
3. Shallow stacks.
4. I didn't say push, I said raise.
5. You're gonna lose more if you let them see cheap cards than if you play your top pair hands semi-aggressively.

GrunchCan · #20 07-10-2005, 08:50 PM

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Hit top pair, move all-in on the flop. I like it. Nice. How many times do you have to do that to lose your bankroll ? I guess we will find out.

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Can you give us more reasoning than just rhetoric? Math, maybe? How often does an opponent in this hand have something they will call with that will beat us at a showdown if I pushed on the flop? Whats the EV of pushing and just calling?

I'm not trying to antagonize, I'm trying to get more information out of you.