something I've been doing lately.

[Jinx]

5/10 4 handed game, so the blidn structure is 3/5, so it's less for the SB to see a flop. a 25/20 ish tag with a 33% ATSB raises on the button. You're looking at TJo in the small blind. The BB is kinda loose. I just call.

Or maybe the BB is another one of the many lagtags who play where i play. I just call anyways.

Who likes, who thinks I should 3 bet, and who thinks I should fold? As a note I call about 1/3 of the time, raise about 1/3 of the time, and fold 1/3 of the time, depending on my mood.

[Spicymoose]

Fold. Hand is way too weak. You are dominated a lot. You are out of position. It is still too expensive.

[Wynton]

I fold also.

[Jinx]

Folding TJo always in a 4 handed game from the SB just because the button raised seems like a big mistake to me.

[Peter Harris]

if you raise and fold the kinda loose BB some of the time:

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597,594,096 games 2.103 secs 284,162,670 games/sec
equity (%) [tie (%)]

Hand 1 [Hero]: 38.6615 % [ 2.00 ] { JcTd }
Hand 2 [Button steal range]: 61.3385 % [ 2.00 ] { AA-22, AKs-A2s, KQs-K8s, QJs-QTs, JTs, AKo-A2o, KQo-K9o, QJo-QTo, JTo }


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If you just call and let BB in getting 5-1:
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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

539,627,468,688 games 2878.078 secs 187,495,776 games/sec

equity (%) [tie (%)]

Hand 1 (Hero): 31.4029 % [ 1.00 ] { JcTd }
Hand 2 (Button): 41.9841 % [ 1.00 ] { AA-22, AKs-A2s, KQs-K8s, QJs-QTs, JTs, AKo-A2o, KQo-K9o, QJo-QTo, JTo }
Hand 3 (BB): 26.6130 % [ 1.00 ] { random }

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so why not deprive BB of an equity edge and increase your own? I just dont see why we'd rather have JTo 3 ways for 2 bets than JTo HU for 3 bets, even if we're OOP. Coupling that with the fact that we make it +EV and therefore correct for the loose BB to call with any two and i think it's a raise or fold situation.

But, as i said earlier, i don't play 5/10.

EDIT: i never said what i usually do, i think this post just serves to show calling is not goot. I would fold JTo against your implied player, raise it against laggier others...

[Aaron W.]

I would be more inclined to 3-bet than call. 25/20 TAG is raising a bunch of hands preflop which are ahead of you (Ax, Kx), but won't be happy to see you 3-bet. You're also not as likely to be dominated because he's raising so many hands. This play also puts a lot more pressure on him to fold postflop if he misses (which will happen most of the time).

Also, 3-betting will make "kinda loose" BB fold pretty often, and you'd rather be heads up instead of 3-handed.

Do you know anything about 25/20's postflop play?

FWIW, I think this is a very borderline situation, one that could go either way depending on how much you pwn this guy.

Remember: J9o is about the worst J anyone around here will steal with on the button, and that's when you have position.

[Jinx]

When it becomes 4 handed I will raise a lot of hands worse than 9Jo from the button. Ditching K7o in the SB 4 handed just because button raised seems very wrong to me. Course I ditch it sometimes depending on the player, but against a lot of lagtags I 3 bet it.

Just because calling with JTo instead of 3 betting makes postflop "harder" doesn't mean it's not worse.

[Spicymoose]

This guy isnt even a blatant stealer. 33% ASB isnt all that much, and even if he was a more liberal blind stealer, JTo is not very good at all. It has very little showdown value, and you are out of position. If this guys ASB was around 50, I might consider playing it, but otherwise, I just fold it and move on.

[beachbum]

I agree folding against him is your best bet. You have to remember someone with these types of stats is most likely a good postflop player so you put yourself in a really tough spot.

In my ass-backwards thinking, I'm more inclined to call with JTs. Is that wrong?

Also, how many hands does it take for ASB to converge to a fairly accurate number?