QJo EMP in a Tightish Game

[tiltaholic]

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awesome. this is good because when I call the flop with overs and I get there on the turn I automatically raise.

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another problem is that in this case, while you sortof got there you didn't actually get there for sure since you are still behind the majority of villians holdings.

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I raise the flop.

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I wouldn't recommend raising the flop here. You are up against an opponent who 3-bet you preflop and you are only on a couple of weak draws. Now he has bet into you again (still indicating a strong hand). Worse, his AF is 3.00, which means he's not the type of guy to give you a free card. I think you can count on a player like this betting into you on every street.

[beset7]

I can sure see why a couple people want to raise the flop and turn (Hell, I did) but I'm likin' the call turn, call river UI and obviously raise if I make two pair or better.

One other question, when he raised the turn I considered discounting an out or two in case he had one of the two FDs. Waste of time and good equity versus a LAG?

[jaxUp]

He might have a FD some of the time, but regardless, you're going to have odds to draw in this siuation.

[jaxUp]

1. find a new table. Table selection will help improve your WR. Loose-ish tables at 2/4 shouldn't be hard to find.
2.It's not like you opened from CO on an obvious steal attempt. MP1 raise usually means business, so he's usually not 3-betting too light. You will usually see TT+, or AK/AQ, with pocket pairs being at least as likely as AK/AQ (probably moreso)
3.I like the turn raise if you can fold to a 3-bet. Getting him to fold AK is very nice for you here. However, with the gutshot + 2 pair/trips draw, you can't fold to the 3-bet because now you've bloated the pot. Call turn and call river.

This is a pretty good time to take a WA/WB line.

grunch

call preflop

as you played it call flop

just call turn and river

[tiltaholic]

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grunch

call preflop


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QJo is the textbook example of a hand NOT to openlimp from MP preflop.

[beset7]

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3.I like the turn raise if you can fold to a 3-bet. Getting him to fold AK is very nice for you here. However, with the gutshot + 2 pair/trips draw, you can't fold to the 3-bet because now you've bloated the pot. Call turn and call river.

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So in a smaller pot or with less outs (maybe sans gutshot) I can raise/fold to a 3-bet here?

[bozlax]

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So in a smaller pot or with less outs (maybe sans gutshot) I can raise/fold to a 3-bet here?

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The biggest determinant in this particular hand, IMO, is Villan. With TPGK I don't see folding to the LAG no matter what redraws I have (even though it was the draws that got you to the turn in the first place). Looking for an excuse to fold, here, is weak-tight. Rather than raise/folding the turn, just call/call and showdown for the same amount.

[tiltaholic]

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3.I like the turn raise if you can fold to a 3-bet. Getting him to fold AK is very nice for you here. However, with the gutshot + 2 pair/trips draw, you can't fold to the 3-bet because now you've bloated the pot. Call turn and call river.

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So in a smaller pot or with less outs (maybe sans gutshot) I can raise/fold to a 3-bet here?

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i think the two primary reasons for not raising the turn are:
-the aggressiveness of the villian.
-the likelyhood we are behind.

if we put villian on a tight range of "3-bets from the SB" we are only currently ahead of 99, AQ, and AK, while behind to TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA, and AJ. at first glance that looks like ahead of 44 combinations and behind 60.

so that right there argues against a turn raise.

but we also know him to be aggressive. which means he is very likley to 3-bet us, independant of the pot size. a turn raise would be optimal if we thought villian would only call, even with a better hand (and then check the river or would call on the turn with missed overcards but won't put a bet in on the river).

since he's aggressive, we get 2 bets in anyway by calling the turn and calling the river.