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Old 11-28-2005, 07:29 PM
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Default Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside

I have been playing online poker for quite some time, almost two years. I actually started out in bonus hunting mainly on the casino side and eventually started giving poker a try.

I've always liked playing poker and am an extremely smart individual with great math skills. However, even after 35k hands, I still cannot get the hang of poker.

I would appreciate any input from you guys on how to get over this hump.

Here are the stats:







Like I said, these stats include hands I played almost 18 months ago and my play has certainly changed since then. I took a break for about 3 months to focus on the casino side and just started picking back up again (Christmas break is coming and I'm going to have 3 weeks of poker nonstop).



Here are my stats over the last 6k hands with what I thought was a better strategy:



I would appreciate all criticism. I'm up over 3k in bonuses but things would certainly be looking a lot nicer if I had the BB/hand to back it up. I'm WAAAAY overolled for the limits I'm playing but there is no sense in moving up without winning first (obviously).

So what leaks do you think I can fix?
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:34 PM
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Default Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside

I once ran into a 25k break even streak. It was at 3/6.

Try posting actual hands

PFR% is a bit low but your aggro factor is right on. You're probably just not getting your share of good cards.

In case you didn't know, raise AJo and KQo in EP
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:37 PM
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Default Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside

Post hands here, respond to hands here, and read (or reread) SSHE by Miller, Malumuth, and Sklansky.
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:39 PM
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Default Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside

Your folded to river bet is insanely high. Before folding so-so hands like top pair on the river you have to look at the size of the pot.

You are surely folding many winners and giving up lots of money in the process.
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:40 PM
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Default Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats in

I would suggest joining in with the session reviewing that is now weekly in the micro forum. Basically you review a block of someones hands and a different player reviews yours. They may spot a problem or two.

Your figures look reasonable - vpip, pfr and aggression wise. I think your river agg is a bit high (others may disagree). You do fold rivers a lot though. Might you be overplaying your hands post flop? At 1/2 you will likely find it dificult to push players off pairs with your overcards etc.
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:52 PM
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Default Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats in

A good portion of the 35k sample was probably not very good poker. However, I really thought I "got" it after my break from poker, especially after all the studying I did.

I thought that my fold at the river % was mainly due to my earlier playing, but looking again, even my recent 6k sample had 55% fold rate. Wonder why?

Also, when analyzing the stats, I would look at the 6k sample as it definitely shows my playing tendencies currently.

If anyone thinks its necessary, I can post my detailed stats for the most previous hands.
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Old 11-28-2005, 07:55 PM
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Default Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside

You may be folding too much out of the blinds.
Plus it does not appear that you check-raise very often.

This may make you pretty easy to read?
Tough to tell just from stats though.

Welcome to the boards. And don't quit.
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:44 PM
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Default Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats inside

you should be checkraising far more often than 98 times out of 34,000
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:46 PM
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My first attempt at posting hands here so bear with me.

Hand 1

Paradise Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

I'm sure this is a very simple hand for most of you, but I'm sure this is where I need to improve. How far do you guys push this hand?

Hand 2

Paradise Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

River: (4.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 4.50 BB

Same sort of deal, I had a great draw for the entire way. Is there a place to bet anywhere?

Hand 3

Paradise Poker 1/2 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP2 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, Hero folds, MP2 calls.

Ideas?
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:58 PM
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Default Re: Should I quit? 35k hands at 1/2 and still breaking even..Stats in

hand 1 good

hand 2 - risky semi bluff against 4 players left to act but +ev i think since you have 2 overs also.
turn and river are fine

hand 3 - well played.
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