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Old 12-27-2005, 11:47 AM
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I take it then that Communism and Fascism would be acceptable provided you were in charge?

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No, nothing in my post suggests that.
But the idea has certainly crossed the mind of others:

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George Bush: "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier - just so long I'm the dictator." December 18, 2000

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Old 12-27-2005, 02:39 PM
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Everything's fine. Bush is not a fascist. He know's what he's doing. Just drink your koolaid now and everything will be much better.
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Old 12-27-2005, 02:49 PM
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Because they have already done it to bust a strip club owner trying to get liquor licenses (now there is a 9/11 National Security threat!) by reverse engineering his on-board navigation system in his car and listening to conversations between him and his lawyer inside his car (forget about attorney client relationship also).
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Old 12-27-2005, 04:01 PM
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Because they have already done it to bust a strip club owner trying to get liquor licenses (now there is a 9/11 National Security threat!) by reverse engineering his on-board navigation system in his car and listening to conversations between him and his lawyer inside his car (forget about attorney client relationship also).


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I recall reading some news story along those lines but forget details. However that seems to be OnStar not cell phones, and law enforcement nor CIA.

I'm not saying Arnfinn is wrong; I'm not yet convinced he's completely right either.
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Old 12-27-2005, 04:03 PM
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Okay, you are right. They can do it with the cell phone technology in an on-board naviagtion system, but can't do it with a regular cell phone.

Oh, yeah. And only "law enforcement" could do it, the CIA wouldn't know how.

Hahahahaha! Are you really that stupid?
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Old 12-27-2005, 04:03 PM
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1) I am tired of hearing the argument that other presidents and administrations did the same thing. Even if that were true, that is a poor argument.

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2) ...but the Republicans were bad too when Clinton was in charge.

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The thread is way past this, but I found it kind of funny.
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Old 12-27-2005, 05:38 PM
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MMMMMMM,
wanted to find a link for you and searched through all the mobile systems manufacturers. But then I decided to check Wikipedia [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img], and there was a link there which explains why it is possible (without mentioning it). Look at this chart and remember that the initial channel request and number sending etc. coming from the phone can be manipulated (somebody else representing the unit), and thus the call can be established without the subscriber's knowledge.

Link

It contains however:
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At this point, the mobile phone displays
a message on the screen to indicate that
call setup is being attempted.


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I know they have a workaround, but I am not totally sure how (if they skip this part of the procedure or alters the phone's software).
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