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Old 07-16-2005, 04:52 AM
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Default Do I suck at folding?

Just started my session, 2 different tables.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, MP calls, SB folds.

Flop: (7 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP calls, Hero calls.

River: (11 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, Button folds, SB calls.

River: (7 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, SB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG folds, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (11.25 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button calls $5 (All-In), <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (23.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero folds, CO calls.

Final Pot: 25.50 BB
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Old 07-16-2005, 04:58 AM
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Default Re: Do I suck at folding?

I fold the first hand on the turn.

As much as I hate that 6 on the river, I call the second hand.
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Old 07-16-2005, 05:26 AM
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Default Re: Do I suck at folding?

Hands 1 and 3 are clear folds.
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Old 07-16-2005, 05:39 AM
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Default Re: Do I suck at folding?

I know you want to hang around on the turn because of the wheel straight in hand 3, but calling two cold is where I give it up.

I realize the pot is friggin huge at that point, but your outs are heavily discounted. The two of hearts is super dirty, and you very well could be dead in the water against 26 or 67.

One is a turn fold in a smallish pot. Two is ok.
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Old 07-16-2005, 05:41 AM
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Default Re: Do I suck at folding?

Fold first hand on turn. Check-call 2nd hand on the river to induce a bluff and fold the 3rd hand on the turn.
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Old 07-16-2005, 06:50 AM
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Default Re: Do I suck at folding?

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Check-call 2nd hand on the river to induce a bluff

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I disagree strongly.
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Old 07-16-2005, 10:41 AM
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Default Re: Do I suck at folding?

Just saying that you disagree is pointless.

I was thinking the same thing about check/calling to induce a bluff.. You're either way ahead or way behind.

Maybe you could explain why you disagree strongly?
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Old 07-16-2005, 10:51 AM
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Default Re: Do I suck at folding?

CPL?
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Old 07-16-2005, 01:48 PM
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Default Re: Do I suck at folding?

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Just saying that you disagree is pointless.

I was thinking the same thing about check/calling to induce a bluff.. You're either way ahead or way behind.

Maybe you could explain why you disagree strongly?

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Well I posting really good advice is -EV but umm it's pretty obvious value bet, why would 1 pair or a worse 2pair (yeh theres not many likely candidates for this) bet here and these hands are much more likely than that someone made a straight. These hands just check through, you get bets from absolutely nothing here, really maybe a totaly goose with Joker &amp; the bridge how to card will bet, but seriously no. This is simple value bet, folding to a raise is pretty easy as well (but I don't do alot I fold river bet 35% I think optimal for me would be closer to 38.5%).

I'm very sure betting this river is correct.
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Old 07-16-2005, 03:48 PM
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Default Re: Do I suck at folding?

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[ QUOTE ]
Just saying that you disagree is pointless.

I was thinking the same thing about check/calling to induce a bluff.. You're either way ahead or way behind.

Maybe you could explain why you disagree strongly?

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Well I posting really good advice is -EV but umm it's pretty obvious value bet, why would 1 pair or a worse 2pair (yeh theres not many likely candidates for this) bet here and these hands are much more likely than that someone made a straight. These hands just check through, you get bets from absolutely nothing here, really maybe a totaly goose with Joker &amp; the bridge how to card will bet, but seriously no. This is simple value bet, folding to a raise is pretty easy as well (but I don't do alot I fold river bet 35% I think optimal for me would be closer to 38.5%).

I'm very sure betting this river is correct.

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2nd hand is a clear value bet. A lot of hands that would call would check behind on this board. My personal feeling was that bet/fold is the correct line -- I'm surprised that so many people don't mind calling on the end, though.

I called down in Hand 1 because I was completely lost as to what this guy could have. (Not a good reason, but thats my defense).
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