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Re: allen C. rereraise on river with three AAA, can\'t be good
I'm sure allen would say thats a donk play too as I don't think his raise is enough to make a flush fold if per se you take out Robert W.
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Re: allen C. rereraise on river with three AAA, can\'t be good
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Robert could very well have been raising with AQ or less, since there was no action before the river. [/ QUOTE ] Do you play Omaha? |
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Re: allen C. rereraise on river with three AAA, can\'t be good
Yeah there is no way Williamson raises with just 3 aces in that spot, in fact he probably folds there with a player still to act and the first pos. man betting out. I was thinking though - what if Williamson just calls behind Hellmuth - does Allen then raise the trips as a semi-bluff or a sort of squeeze, assuming he only needs to get Hellmuth to fold? (Of course this would never happen as RW3 never flatcalls with A's full.)
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Re: allen C. rereraise on river with three AAA, can\'t be good
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[ QUOTE ] Robert could very well have been raising with AQ or less, since there was no action before the river. [/ QUOTE ] Do you play Omaha? [/ QUOTE ] My bad. |
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Re: allen C. rereraise on river with three AAA, can\'t be good
Not many hands fit the board. After the turn, only A6 makes a full house, and it (along with AA and 66) would usually be bet by this point. After the river, add AK, KK and K6 to the full house list. A raise potentially knocks out a flush, and maybe even a gets a sheriff call from a weaker A (don't remember AC's 2nd card to play) and even a 6 in some circumstances.
If RW is making a move (which he is capable of doing from ANY position), his raise potentially knocks out the best hand (PH) and induces a crying call from the bluffer (RW). And that is certainly a plausible situation. He probably doesn't put RW on a flush, as a flush would likely not do more than call after the river. It's just one of those moves in which you're a genius if it works, and a donkey if it doesn't. If only these guys could see the hole-cam images... |
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Re: allen C. rereraise on river with three AAA, can\'t be good
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Not many hands fit the board. After the turn, only A6 makes a full house, and it (along with AA and 66) would usually be bet by this point. After the river, add AK, KK and K6 to the full house list. A raise potentially knocks out a flush, and maybe even a gets a sheriff call from a weaker A (don't remember AC's 2nd card to play) and even a 6 in some circumstances. [/ QUOTE ] WTF? As someone else asked in this thread, DO YOU PLAY OMAHA?! Didn't like 4-6 people see this flop? You say "Only" hands like AKxx, KKxx, K6xx are the type of hands you're worried about but in a limped multiway pot like this you should be EXTREMELY worried about them. Is there ANY chance RW is raising here, against this many opponents without aces full? I say there's approximately zero no of it. And no, you never get a sherrifs call from a worse Ace, a 6 or a flush in this spot. Ever. It's simply a very bad play with huge negative expectation. Now if it went bet, call then a move might have some merit in this spot. Would still be a high risk move that would need a very solid read on the situation. But when it goes bet, raise in this spot against these two you turbo muck AQxx. |
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Re: allen C. rereraise on river with three AAA, can\'t be good
I don't think he played well at all in the PLO event. In fact, based by TV I don't think he even understands the game well.
Hand 42 - Ivey has the button in seat 6, Williamson limps for $8,000, Cunningham limps, Ivey limps, Hellmuth limps, and Scharf checks. The flop comes Ad-6c-6s, and everyone checks. The turn card is the Kc, and they check again. The river card is the Ac, Hellmuth bets $9,000, Williamson raises to $44,000, Cunningham reraises to $84,000, and Williamson calls. Williamson shows A-K (aces full of kings), and Cunningham mucks. Williamson takes the pot. Anyone remember this hand? Or this? There is a dead button in seat 10, Sunar raises to $27,000, Cunningham reraises to put Sunar all in, and Sunar calls. Cunningham has Kc-8c-7h-2h, and Sunar has Ah-Ks-10s-5h. The flop comes Jd-10d-9d, but neither player has a single diamond. Cunningham flopped a jack-high straight, and Sunar will need to catch a queen or something runner-runner to stay alive. The turn card is the 7s, the river card is the Kd, and Surinder Sunar is eliminated in fifth place, earning $122,635. (Credit to Cardplayer) I forget what he had on the first one, but I believe all he had was a set. He didn't look good playing PLO, that's for sure. |
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Re: allen C. rereraise on river with three AAA, can\'t be good
I don't think the "Have you PLAYED Omaha?!?!" crowd can properly distinguish between your standard Omaha Hi PL cash game and final table huge-blind Omaha. It's really somewhat of a hybrid of the Omaha and Hold'em cash games. You don't just play the nuts at final tables. Unless the deck is hitting you upside the head, you're a dead duck in big blind PL Omaha hi unless you loosen up and make some moves.
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Re: allen C. rereraise on river with three AAA, can\'t be good
It was a bluff attempt, trying to mover players off a flush I assume. It's a very weird and a very bad play. Worst play of the series by a known player.
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Re: allen C. rereraise on river with three AAA, can\'t be good
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allen C. rereraise on river with three AAA, can't be good [/ QUOTE ]Where I come from that's nine A's. Sounds damn near unbeatable. AT |
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