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Old 12-10-2005, 12:04 AM
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Default Half your stack on a suited ace?

Third level in the Party Friday Special. Villian hasn't been at table long so I am without any reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

saw flop
UTG (t1200)
UTG+1 (t865)
UTG+2 (t3405)
Hero (t1075)
MP2 (t1125)
MP3 (t2985)
CO (t1710)
Button (t555)
SB (t1735)
BB (t610)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls t30, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t90) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t55</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t580 (all in)</font>, Hero ???

I think this is a bluff or semibluff often enough that I should call. Also this could be a jack or worse ace. Who's making the call here?
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Old 12-10-2005, 12:08 AM
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Default Re: Half your stack on a suited ace?

Not me.
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Old 12-10-2005, 01:52 AM
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Default Re: Half your stack on a suited ace?

I need a read to make this call.
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Old 12-10-2005, 02:52 AM
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Default Re: Half your stack on a suited ace?

That bet screams flush draw to me, but that does not really mean I am calling, cause who knows in these damn things.
When I get check-raised by one of the blinds in an unraised pot I basically always give them credit for at least bottom two pair.
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Old 12-10-2005, 03:00 AM
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Default Re: Half your stack on a suited ace?

I put his range of hands as:

Two clubs, J3,

Just about any ace
- I'm ahead of A2, A4, A5, A6 and behind A3, A8, A9, AT, AJ, AQ... I'm thinking AK reraises preflop (maybe AQ) but it's still a posibility. Also I don't think AJ is pushing here with top two. So I really only think I'm behind A3, A8, A9, AT. Which gives me 4 aces I'm ahead of and 4 I'm behind.

Also throw in the chance he is bluffing because he thinks I don't have anything and was just betting because I had position and this makes it pretty close to a call.
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Old 12-10-2005, 03:04 AM
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Default Re: Half your stack on a suited ace?

I fold this PF- and for this exact reason.
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Old 12-10-2005, 03:08 AM
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Default Re: Half your stack on a suited ace?

a definite pre-flop fold.. people don't play these hands in MP for precisely this reason.. it's hard to tell where you're at when the ace hits
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Old 12-10-2005, 10:17 AM
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Default Re: Half your stack on a suited ace?

not me

the bb special, my man is rockin the j3 flopped 2 pair


i don't think this is a really hard fold- is it a bad one?
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Old 12-10-2005, 11:29 AM
elmitchbo elmitchbo is offline
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Default Re: Half your stack on a suited ace?

you gotta rasie with the suited aces pre flop. don't listen to these folders. suited aces are the 3rd most valuable type of hand, behind big pairs and big cards, but ahead of small pairs and suited connectors. LAG baby LAG!

yea i call that. he most likely has a flush draw, but he could have just a pair 7's in the whole.....
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Old 12-10-2005, 11:28 AM
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Default Re: Half your stack on a suited ace?

Preflop fold this hand or raise it BTF if you opt to play.
Nothing worse than someone behind you raising when you limp
and you have to dump it or you call and our OOP.

OTF folding is not as obvious as everyone makes it out to be. Raiser can have an Ace, flush draw , bottum two, or
air. With his range of hands it's pretty close, and if he has bottom two you've got some outs.

What I don't like about calling is your not completing the betting. With another active player behind me and for all
the above reasons I'll let this one go, but reluctantly and
I'll make a note about BB.

Bruce
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