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Re: PP 5/10: KK capped preflop. what to do against a sudden turn raise
well, i looked it up:
"you may also occasionally limp with AA or KK. the time to do this would be when your early position raises are not getting any callers" -HOLD'EM POKER FOR ADVANCED PLAYERS by sklansky and malmouth pg. 22. |
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Re: PP 5/10: KK capped preflop. what to do against a sudden turn raise
Why is everyone coming down so hard on the limp reraise? He was at a tight table so we can assume there were a couple TAGs at the table who we can count on to raise. He really needs to switch tables, but a limp reraise here is not so bad. He got unlucky that he ran into AA.
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Re: PP 5/10: KK capped preflop. what to do against a sudden turn raise
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well, i looked it up: "you may also occasionally limp with AA or KK. the time to do this would be when your early position raises are not getting any callers" -HOLD'EM POKER FOR ADVANCED PLAYERS by sklansky and malmouth pg. 22. [/ QUOTE ] I think that is your mistake. |
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Re: PP 5/10: KK capped preflop. what to do against a sudden turn raise.
I think the limp-reraise is all right.
On the turn, I start calling down, hoping Button 3-bet preflop with AQ and is now fearlessly raising the turn with it. I'm also hoping to catch a ten on the river and hoping as well that MP1 doesn't have AK (or, if I spike a king instead, hoping no one has a ten). |
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Re: PP 5/10: KK capped preflop. what to do against a sudden turn raise
I know your sick of the preflop chat, but you've only been at the table for 2 orbits hence how can you know that will respect your raises. Sklansky also mentions not to take that play when your opponents see too many flops and go too far with them which is the assumption you should be working on after 2 orbits of 5/10.
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Re: PP 5/10: KK capped preflop. what to do against a sudden turn raise
I like calling down, but Button is raising in a portected pot. I'm tempted to check fold the river unimproved. Your LRR represents AA, KK, maybe QQ, JJ or AK. He doesn't seem to be afraid of that.
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Re: PP 5/10: KK capped preflop. what to do against a sudden turn raise
I've only read down a few responses, but the limp-reraise in the game described is perfectly OK. There are some very strong players who would say it's even the best default play in this type of game. Notably, Jim Brier's 'How Good Is Your Limit Hold 'em' takes this stance.
Hard to fold the turn without knowing Button very well, but you probably should. |
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Re: PP 5/10: KK capped preflop. what to do against a sudden turn raise
If PF raises are frequently taking down the pot uncontested at tight aggressive tables(like OP described), I have no problem with the limp-reraise. Conventional wisdom is against it, but alot of that comes from SSHE which generally presumes loose tables with lots of players seeing the flop.
An occassional suckout is expected, but I think it's +EV over just stealing the blinds. |
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Re: PP 5/10: KK capped preflop. what to do against a sudden turn raise.
LRR is fine preflop at this table.
Flop is fine. Turn, you have to call, because the T's are probably good, and the K's may be good. River, check-call, unless it's an A, then you can fold. |
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Re: PP 5/10: KK capped preflop. what to do against a sudden turn raise
Please ignore anyone who says not to ever limp with AA or KK up front, they are probably relatively new to poker. Given your read of the table, limping with AA or KK early is the right play. Also the turn is tough, but you may have up to 6 live outs, and theres still a small percentage of time you have the best hand also, I think you must call.
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