This is why I'm still at NL50... - Page 2

Bukem_ · #11 12-01-2005, 02:49 AM

"This is why I'm still at NL50..."

Nope. You got other leaks, this is fine.

GrunchCan · #12 12-01-2005, 02:50 AM

hm, wonder what they are...

CobraGoat · #13 12-01-2005, 02:52 AM

i didnt realize he was in hijack, i thought this hand was being played in more EP. so limping is ok here though i hate to limp anything but small PPs.

Bukem_ · #14 12-01-2005, 02:55 AM

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hm, wonder what they are...

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Dunno, don't worry about hands like these.

But my guess, and this could probably be generalized for most 2p2 ssnl players who can't seem to move up:

1) Giving implied odds to "bad players"

2) Not value betting relentlessly against bad players-using the what hand that I beat can call my river bet argument.

3) Playing their cards instead of position.

4) trying to nut peddle 40 millin tables instead of crushing 2 or 3.

GrunchCan · #15 12-01-2005, 03:07 AM

Good post. Definitely some stuff to think about.

Well, I guess my post title is misleading. I'm not at NL50 becasue my roll isn't progressing. My roll is actually building pretty fast now. Ever since just before my Vegas trip a couple months ago, I felt like I was starting to really get NL.

Things are falling in to place, but I have frequent hands, like this one, where I was just a little lost as to what my strategy should be. I have to think my way through the hand and try to figure out the things I should be thinking of. Usually these spots come when I'm in a bad relative position.

1) Giving implied odds to "bad players"

That's interesting. Probably something I'm guilty of. I'll have to look for some posts about this.

2) Not value betting relentlessly against bad players-using the what hand that I beat can call my river bet argument.

I am guilty of not being optimal on the river, but I'm getting better becasue it's something I'm focused on.

3) Playing their cards instead of position.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that I'm 'good' when it comes to this, but I am acutely aware of my position all the time.

4) trying to nut peddle 40 millin tables instead of crushing 2 or 3.

That's definitely not me. I 1-table, sometimes 2-table. I know my game deteriorates at 3 tables, and I've never had a desire to get better at it. So I never 3-table.

SpaceAce · #16 12-01-2005, 06:49 AM

When calling a raise with someone like QJs, I like for the effective stacks (between myself and the raiser, especially) to be deeper than they are here. Otherwise, you played it perfectly.

SpaceAce

mattw · #17 12-01-2005, 07:21 AM

PF: i question the almost cold calling a 4xBB raise with Q-Js. there are two cold callers in front of you. you are not ahead at this point.

Flop: you have second pair, 4 to a 2nd nut flush, and a gut shot. and you push!

Hattifnatt · #18 12-01-2005, 08:17 AM

I like to raise this preflop first time it comes to you, after your limp your call of the raise is clear.

On the flop I raise it directly, as you called I would make a reraise to $18 or so when it comes back to you and push any non-pair turn (or a paired J) if called.

mackthefork · #19 12-01-2005, 08:41 AM

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2) Not value betting relentlessly against bad players-using the what hand that I beat can call my river bet argument.

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My number one crime, good post.

Mack

4_2_it · #20 12-01-2005, 09:47 AM

Grunch, that doesn't look horrible. The only comment I will make is that you are calling with a drawing hand and it looks like you aren't getting good implied odds here since the aggressors appear to be short stacks.

As played, I like your all-in because the short stacks have to call with any playable hand and you aren't folding if either one pushes. I like putting pressure on villains, it makes my decisions easier and their decisions harder.