gutshot, overcards, and backdoor flush

jason1990 · #1 02-27-2005, 01:15 PM

I'm valuing my hand at about 8 outs on the flop. My flop bet was meant to be for value, but looking back on it, I don't like it. If I'd had two (maybe one) more opponent on the flop, I would like it. I'm mostly interested in comments on the river. Thanks.

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, CO raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, CO raises, BB calls, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (10.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, BB raises, Hero folds, CO calls.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

jason1990 · #2 02-27-2005, 01:22 PM

Now that I look at this again, I think I should have checked this flop even with more opponents since CO was the preflop raiser. If he bets and there are enough callers, maybe a check-raise for value? Wow, I'm hating my play here more and more.

djshawk · #3 02-27-2005, 01:27 PM

you have to fold this preflop

TALLBrad · #4 02-27-2005, 01:30 PM

Typically I fold pre-flop from that position with those cards.

toss · #5 02-27-2005, 01:33 PM

I don't see much value in calling PF. I think you're being to generous with your outs on the flop. Bet the river and fold if its 2 bets back to you.

Ric · #6 02-27-2005, 01:35 PM

If you're counting your overcards as outs, why not bet when you hit one? It would make it easier to fold if the action then goes raise/3bet as well.

Who likes folding the turn here?