Pokerhost Stole $11,000 from me

[AngryCola]

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Man, that is really insane if that is what you really think.

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You better get out the straitjacket. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[Synergistic Explosions]

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Man, this thread has got it all.

Allegations that a site has engaged in irrationally punitive behaviour.
Allegations that a player has cheated.
Irrationally ravenous spectators.
Lots of new posters who all seem to think that they're the only mid/high stakes players in the world.

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Wait til the new wave of bonus whores show up asking about the free $50 bucks they give away for emailing about this thread! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[HopeydaFish]

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Granny,

To quote a bad line out of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, if Tripldouble is creating aliases I AM MICKEY MOUSE. You honestly believe he would put this time and energy *fooling* you guys for pleasure? Ridiculous. If you're the welcome wagon I want the first flight out of here.

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Well, I'm keeping an open mind as to what really happened an who's guilty...but I'd say that TripleDouble has 11,000 reasons to go through the trouble of creating fake accounts. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I'm not saying that's what he's doing...especially after he's been accused of it so many times over the last few days. I think an issue like this is the type that would get some of the lurkers to go through the trouble of signing up so that they can post.

[tripledouble]

i don't know why it took until this post to realize that you picture / avatar whatever is a chics arse painted with a cig in it's crack...kinda funny/disturbing.

[HopeydaFish]

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But you are ignoring the real issue. PartyPoker is going public. Other sites will soon follow. How will they keep any customers if they make it a policy to steal accounts if you play in the U.S.? They are hugely profitable just by taking care of their customers. They also have an obligation to punish colluders to make the sites safe for honest players. But you are a retarted moran, and so I will stop trying to explain this to you...

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I don't think anyone should worry about Party, Paradise, PokerStars, TruePoker, etc... They've been around long enough and are successful enough that you can be assured that they're legitimate...and are making enough off rakes that it makes absolutely no sense for them to screw their players and ruin their reputation.

What people *should* be worried about is sites like PokerHost that haven't been around that long. There's already been a couple of instances of fly by night operations that have stolen players' money. Whether or not PokerHost is one of these types of sites is still up in the air IMHO. They're definitely not getting off to a good start (just by their silence in this matter) if they want to appear to be legitimate.

[HopeydaFish]

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i don't know why it took until this post to realize that you picture / avatar whatever is a chics arse painted with a cig in it's crack...kinda funny/disturbing.

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Yeah, I should probably change it. It's hard to look at...lol [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Maurader1]

for what it's worth...
I've been playing at PH since they had their 10k freeroll in early january, deposited $25 as entry to the freeroll, won $100, and have been playing off that since, and have withdrawn winnings several times, no hassle (except for the raked hands requirement). On a separate note, currently, and for the past few weeks, there are 3/6 tables running, with very limited traffic mind you, but there IS traffic at those limits...so I'm not sure why SE only see's 1/2 tables...

I spent much time reading this thread because it was a little entertaining, and plus I have played at this site, and have really not thought about all these issues about new sites, playing online, etc etc. The one thing that PH did, which was surprised me that they could, was that they mistakenly deposited money into my Neteller twice, and requested that Neteller temporarliy close my account so that they could reverse the transaction. Now Neteller has assured me that pokersites could not use this to actually take more more money out of my account, though it did raise my eyebrow.

Look forward to resolution today.

[n1stunnor]

Reminds me of the ACR/Bergen assclowns drama a few years back.

Some people just don't get it.

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for what it's worth...
The one thing that PH did, which was surprised me that they could, was that they mistakenly deposited money into my Neteller twice, and requested that Neteller temporarliy close my account so that they could reverse the transaction. Now Neteller has assured me that pokersites could not use this to actually take more more money out of my account, though it did raise my eyebrow.

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I always thought it was kind of strange the Neteller would transfer money in and out of my account and do other things with it without first notifying me and asking for confirmation. It's almost like it is not my account at all.

The obvious thing to do, before transfering money out of the account is to send me an email to confirm. But they don't. Why??? So at any time, by accident or for nefarious purposes, a casino (or even an online bandit) can request a withdrawal and I would not know anything about it until it was too late.

Or as in your case, Neteller should not close the account, but only hold the funds, if a transation is still "pending". All of this gives me a sense that Neteller is just a quasi-independent arm of the casinos, and any money I have in there is really still under the control of the casinos.

I use Neteller, but I keep the absolute minimum amount of money in it, and if I ever lose it, I'll just complain on this forum and chalk it up as a good life lesson.

[Timer]

This is one of the most interesting threads I have ever read here. I ignored it at first, but as it grew and grew I decided to give it a shot. Well, I read most of the posts and here are my thoughts if anybody cares.

Chip dumping might be against the “rules” but I’m guessing it happens every day at every site, so how do you prove people are doing it?

In other words, so what? Yea I know they could be laundering drug money or emptying stolen credit cards, yada, yada, yada. I seriously doubt much of that is going on. But it COULD be, so I guess the site has the right to not allow it. But how do they PROVE it? They just say you did it whether you did or not and it’s true. I’m not buying it.

If the guy is playing heads up, waiting for heads up games on a new site (which isn’t a bad idea in my opinion) then how can he be colluding? I just don’t get it. Something doesn’t smell right that’s for sure and to my way of thinking it is this site that is stinking up the place—not this Tripledouble guy. It looks to me like Pokerhost found a good spot to step in and confiscate a five figure bankroll.

SynergisticEnergy and GrannyMae have been quite vociferous and indignant that Tripledouble is up to no good, but they haven't shown anybody how they're up to no good, and what exactly it is that they're no good about. They repeatedly say that "this" is suspicious and "that" just doesn't smell right, but they offer nothing in the way of proof or evidence--only suspicion. That's not enough to consiscate 12K+ in my opinion.

And the "you have just started posting so you have no credibility" argument doesn't hold any water either. I know a lot of people who don't post to or read any poker newsgroup, and they are doing quite fine thank you very much.

Does it look suspicious that a lot of new people have cropped up to voice their opinion about this subject. If there has ever been any subject to attract some new posters this is it! 12K+ down the toilet is pretty serious business. Otherwise excellent and high stakes poker players don't have time to engage in threads about where the next $100 bonus is coming from.

As to GrannyMae having almost 7K posts. I couldn't imagine having that many posts in three lifetimes, so that doesn't give he (she, it) any extra credibility as far as I'm concerned.

And about this money transfer thing. Again, so what? I just don’t get what the big deal is. I’ve transferred thousands of dollars before. My last transfer was for $2000. It’s a way of paying people what you owe them quickly, or a way of borrowing when your money is in transit or tied up elsewhere. No big deal.

Bottom line is that I don’t trust ANY of these sites as far as I can throw them, but if you want to play for serious money you have to have some serious money in their accounts. As I’m writing this I have thousand of dollars on about six different sites, and that’s just the way business is done in the online poker world. That being said it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if every one of these sites up an closed down or confiscated my money at the drop of a hat (and everyone else’s for that matter) leaving me without any repercussions whatsoever. Let’s say by way of example the Justice Department closed them down or didn’t allow online gaming in the US, and let’s further say they could do this. Do you really think these sites would return everybody’s money? They might, but I wouldn’t bet on it! Who’s gonna make’em!?

I play online for serious money, but as far as I’m concerned it’s illegal, and there is no governing body or sanctioning agency that oversees anything. You don’t know who owns them, and if you were to try and show up at their doorstep what’s to keep them from running you off with armed guards! Besides even if that didn’t happen all you would see at these sites are a bunch of pencil pushers and computer servers. No one who knows anything would even be around.

As far as I’m concerned this guy just got royally screwed. I have seen NO evidence that he colluded in any way, and the site didn’t offer ANY proof. But they don’t have to because, again, why should they? They don’t answer to anyone so tough bananas.

Pokerhost should give the money back immediately, close his account, cash him out and try to stop the bad publicity. They should publicly announce their intentions as well. If they do this, then I will seriously look at opening an account there. Until this thread I had never even heard of them.

If however, I’m PROVEN wrong about Tripledouble then I’ll do a full mea culpa and take my lumps. But until that happens this guy just got f*cked. Plain and simple.